Doesn't have the super-secret subliminal Amazon mind control surface image pattern that contains the Microsoft COVID-19 vaccine interlink.

Parts of the facade had fallen off over time. I'm glad they're fixing it, it was starting to look pretty bad.

I love that OKC has a Whole Foods and shop there now and then. It is a little far from me though and no, it's not the most affordable grocery store. It's probably the most expensive of the health food stores. I do miss the snack bar a lot.

Tulsa has 2 whole foods locations, OKC only 1, why?

OKC should have about 5. It’s insane we don’t have one in north Edmond.

Tulsa has 2 whole foods locations, OKC only 1, why?

Higher density of college graduates

Higher density of college graduates

Tulsa has a higher density of people people period.

OKC is so spread out, certain retailers can't hit the entire metro unless they build 4-5 locations.

OKC is just a much larger city. It’ll get more WF locations soon I am willing to bet.

Tulsa has 2 whole foods locations, OKC only 1, why?

Because the first store was a wild oats, that Whole Foods bought, and then they decided to build a new store in a shopping center. OKC didn’t have a buy out, just Aubrey McClendon, who got the OKC store.

Tulsa has a higher density of people people period.

OKC is so spread out, certain retailers can't hit the entire metro unless they build 4-5 locations.

Urban OKC (3,370/sq mi) is denser than Urban Tulsa (3,182/sq mi).
https://i.imgur.com/NLDoI16.png

Whole Foods has only built one new store in Tulsa.

The first one came when they bought out Wild Oats.

[QUOTE=KayneMo;1179156]Urban OKC (3,370/sq mi) is denser than Urban Tulsa (3,182/sq mi).

I stand corrected. Tulsa proper feels much more dense with less "space" to expand.

Higher density of college graduates

So, you have to be a college grad to shop at WF? Lol.

Please cite your stats about Tulsa and higher density of college grads.

So, you have to be a college grad to shop at WF? Lol.

Please cite your stats about Tulsa and higher density of college grads.

WF targets a market niche that is wealthy are more urban (https://snapshot.numerator.com/retailer/whole_foods), and those folks are more likely to have college degrees (https://medium.com/@mounicav/whole-foods-market-marketing-strategies-and-programs-analysis-53d6f12b6055):


The target customers for Whole Foods Market are individuals and families whose income is well above the national average, lead a healthy lifestyle and conscious of environment. Most of the customers have college degrees and live in upscale sub-urban or metropolitan areas.

OKC should have about 5. It’s insane we don’t have one in north Edmond.

Not sure where Bezos would site one in north Edmond. Already have Uptown and a Crest is on the way.

You would need a Chisholm Creek / Route 66 Landing style of development to get WF interested. Just don’t see that happening anytime in the next 10 years, especially with the Nimbies blocking all but the most basic strip centers in Edmond.

So, you have to be a college grad to shop at WF? Lol.

Please cite your stats about Tulsa and higher density of college grads.

Ver batim exactly what I said. I said that you have to shop at Whole Foods. As a matter of fact upon my first visit the demanded to see my degree from OSU. But I was denied entry because I work in my field of study vs having a degree in Art History or Psychology. Perhaps if I had chosen that path they would have directed me to the avocado toast post haste!

I am surprised there isn’t one in Norman already and expect that will be their next OKC metro location

Ver batim exactly what I said. I said that you have to shop at Whole Foods. As a matter of fact upon my first visit the demanded to see my degree from OSU. But I was denied entry because I work in my field of study vs having a degree in Art History or Psychology. Perhaps if I had chosen that path they would have directed me to the avocado toast post haste!
Very funny post.

Urban OKC (3,370/sq mi) is denser than Urban Tulsa (3,182/sq mi).
https://i.imgur.com/NLDoI16.png

I was just going to bring that up, you can't use the entire municipal boundary for OKC for it's density, which would still indicate 1,000+ people per square mile; the urban density almost 4 times that (and more than Tulsa's equivalent UD).

You don't need to be a college degree to shop at Whole Foods and Bezos has nothing to do with WF (he's Amazon's founder).

I also agree it's weird that OKC only has one WF, should have one in Edmond, Norman and in the west metro with one in the East metro u/c given how they have built out other cities/metros. Perhaps the city or chamber could discuss options with them. At least Chisholm Creek should have one and University North Park. Perhaps the Outlets area for West metro.

Interesting that the census charts has OKC's ideal urban population to 791,000, about 100K more than what it is today. This to me indicates OKC has LOTS of room to grow without the rural and watershed which could be de-annexed (far SW and SE/NE imo) esp if the state would allow OKC's trusts to still manage the watershed.

Totally negates the argument people often make that OKC needs to be so big because it makes so much on the rural and watershed areas; in fact it's the opposite. OKC could shave off 1/3rd and still have plenty of room for future growth that would make sense given the city's current urban area.

You don't need to be a college degree to shop at Whole Foods and Bezos has nothing to do with WF (he's Amazon's founder).

I also agree it's weird that OKC only has one WF, should have one in Edmond, Norman and in the west metro with one in the East metro u/c given how they have built out other cities/metros. Perhaps the city or chamber could discuss options with them. At least Chisholm Creek should have one and University North Park. Perhaps the Outlets area for West metro.

Amazon owns Whole Foods. So Bezos controls Whole Foods.

Amazon owns Whole Foods. So Bezos controls Whole Foods.

Bezos isn't the CEO anymore.

Interesting that the census charts has OKC's ideal urban population to 791,000, about 100K more than what it is today. This to me indicates OKC has LOTS of room to grow without the rural and watershed which could be de-annexed (far SW and SE/NE imo) esp if the state would allow OKC's trusts to still manage the watershed.

Totally negates the argument people often make that OKC needs to be so big because it makes so much on the rural and watershed areas; in fact it's the opposite. OKC could shave off 1/3rd and still have plenty of room for future growth that would make sense given the city's current urban area.

I think that the ideal population refers to congressional districts. It is Oklahoma's state population divided by the number(5)
of representatives apportioned.

Bezos isn't the CEO anymore.

He's still chairman and by far the largest shareholder.

WF is a subsidiary, Amazon has no direct control.

And OKC's getting an Amazon 4star store in Classen Curve.

I think that the ideal population refers to congressional districts. It is Oklahoma's state population divided by the number(5)
of representatives apportioned.

That is correct.

I’m just not sure that the OKC Suburbs and Exurbs are progressive enough to merit serious consideration from WF for further expansion.

IMO Sprouts is just a smaller version of WF

I’m just not sure that the OKC Suburbs and Exurbs are progressive enough to merit serious consideration from WF for further expansion.

Wait, what? I don't think WF cares that much about the politics of an area when deciding to put a store there.

WF is a subsidiary, Amazon has no direct control.

What? What do you think a subsidiary is?

What? What do you think a subsidiary is?

Being a subsidiary doesn't mean that they are operationally run by the holding company. They may even cross promote but they have their own management.

IMO Sprouts is just a smaller version of WF

They are nothing alike.

I’m just not sure that the OKC Suburbs and Exurbs are progressive enough to merit serious consideration from WF for further expansion.

Believe it or not, politics isn't the conspiracy about everything. I know plenty of conservatives who eat healthy and organic. There are a multitude of demographics and opportunities that dictate store placement.

Both grocers sell mostly natural or organic products and have fresh salad and juice bars, sandwich counters, and pre-made meals for purchase, along with in-store dining areas. They also sell natural health products like vitamins and supplements. From Business Insider.
https://www.businessinsider.com/whole-foods-sprouts-which-is-better-cheaper-2018-4
But ok

Both grocers sell mostly natural or organic products and have fresh salad and juice bars, sandwich counters, and pre-made meals for purchase, along with in-store dining areas. They also sell natural health products like vitamins and supplements. From Business Insider.
https://www.businessinsider.com/whole-foods-sprouts-which-is-better-cheaper-2018-4
But ok

Anybody who shops at the two knows they aren't close to the same. Not even close to the same selections - Deli's, meat, seafood, bakery, cheeses, depth of products, and on and on are way different and better at WF.

Can't say for across the country, but I am not aware of in-store dining at Sprouts.

By the way, I love Sprouts. It just isn't the same.

Obviously Business Insider thinks they’re similar or they wouldn’t have done a comparison. Some cities have larger Sprouts stores than OKC and have sitting areas. No they’re not exactly the same but they both sell mostly organic or natural products…like the article says. Sprouts isn’t in the same category as Homeland, Crest or Winco. Again they focus on organic natural specialty food items.

Anybody who shops at the two knows they aren't close to the same. Not even close to the same selections - Deli's, meat, seafood, bakery, cheeses, depth of products, and on and on are way different and better at WF.

Can't say for across the country, but I am not aware of in-store dining at Sprouts.

By the way, I love Sprouts. It just isn't the same.

:yeahthat::iagree:

Obviously Business Insider thinks they’re similar or they wouldn’t have done a comparison. Some cities have larger Sprouts stores than OKC and have sitting areas. No they’re not exactly the same but they both sell mostly organic or natural products…like the article says. Sprouts isn’t in the same category as Homeland, Crest or Winco. Again they focus on organic natural specialty food items.

All dogs have tails and four legs, but all dogs aren't collies.

Just curious if you personally shop at both stores and see them as the same. Do you think Natural Grocers is the same?

I wasn't being literal. But they both cater to the same target market. Is Homeland and Crest the same? No. But they both cater to the same target market. Sprouts (in OKC) is just a scaled down version of WF. You make it sound like they're polar opposites.
I've never shopped at Natural Grocers.

I agree that Sprouts, Whole Foods, and Natural Grocers appear to be going after the same market. They definitely aren't the exact same, but it has always been my opinion those grocers are similar.

I wasn't being literal. But they both cater to the same target market. Is Homeland and Crest the same? No. But they both cater to the same target market. Sprouts (in OKC) is just a scaled down version of WF. You make it sound like they're polar opposites.
I've never shopped at Natural Grocers.

It is scaled down and thus doesn't have the breadth and depth of offerings. It's the breadth and depth of what they offer that is the differentiator, not that both have organic items. The deli is very different as Sprouts is basically just a sandwich station. The breadth and depth of cheeses is distinctive. You can't start to compare the meat and seafood departments. The freshly prepared food stations with salads, hot entrees, etc. is non existent in Sprouts. They may be in the same very broad category but are very very different stores.

Target isn't the same as Saks. I am sure some people shop at both, but are very different. I doubt many Whole Food shoppers actually shop much at Sprouts too, and visa versa.

... I doubt many Whole Food shoppers actually shop much at Sprouts too, and visa versa.

Out of the two, we usually go to Sprouts, but occasionally shop at WF. And we only go to Sprouts monthly (Homeland and WinCo are our regular/weekly stores), so maybe WF every few months for something special or better quality than Sprouts. We don't shop at WF much because of their higher prices, and they're busier and more crowded than Sprouts most of the time.

Believe it or not, politics isn't the conspiracy about everything. I know plenty of conservatives who eat healthy and organic. There are a multitude of demographics and opportunities that dictate store placement.

No, not necessarily. See, e.g., Starbucks vs. Black Rifle Coffee.

People want to patronize places where they fee safe.

Safe spaces are actually fairly low on the hierarchy of needs.

Out of the two, we usually go to Sprouts, but occasionally shop at WF. And we only go to Sprouts monthly (Homeland and WinCo are our regular/weekly stores), so maybe WF every few months for something special or better quality than Sprouts. We don't shop at WF much because of their higher prices, and they're busier and more crowded than Sprouts most of the time.

Yup Sprouts all the way. And on the 240 world, Green Acres.

Swake, my company (Ill let you guess which one it is) has many subsidiaries that have full control of their operations including their own executives. We have little to no control over them other than financing and all-up external reporting.

I'm certain that is also the case with AMZ and WF, especially considering WF isn't listed in the Amazon umbrella of wholly owned subsidiaries like AWS, Kindle, etc (which are more directly controlled by AMZ corporate).

Heard they are looking at the old Stein Mart location at 2nd and Bryant in Edmond. Anyone know more?

Heard they are looking at the old Stein Mart location at 2nd and Bryant in Edmond. Anyone know more?

Would probably make a better Trader Joe's than WF.

No, not necessarily. See, e.g., Starbucks vs. Black Rifle Coffee.

People want to patronize places where they fee safe.

Safe spaces are actually fairly low on the hierarchy of needs.

Feeling safe isn't a unique requirement of certain classes of people or their appetites.

The OKC area may soon be getting a second Whole Foods Market.

https://i.imgur.com/TCBVDEv.jpeg


The national chain sells natural & organic grocery items, housewares, wine, and other products.

OKC currently has one location near NW 63rd and Western which opened in 2011.

Plans for the ongoing development of I-35 and Covell commercial center show Whole Foods near the center of a large expansion including dozens of retailers and restaurants. Currently, the project is home to ShowBiz Cinema and a Hilton Garden Inn. Recently, a new Crest Foods opened to the west.

Amazon now owns Whole Foods and features over 500 stores in the U.S. and the United Kingdom.

Plans show a 36,500-square-foot store, similar to the store on Western.


https://i.imgur.com/Jb0H5nm.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/MVInBGC.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/w7gyEuM.jpeg

Awesome!!!

The OKC area may soon be getting a second Whole Foods Market.

https://i.imgur.com/TCBVDEv.jpeg


The national chain sells natural & organic grocery items, housewares, wine, and other products.

OKC currently has one location near NW 63rd and Western which opened in 2011.

Plans for the ongoing development of I-35 and Covell commercial center show Whole Foods near the center of a large expansion including dozens of retailers and restaurants. Currently, the project is home to ShowBiz Cinema and a Hilton Garden Inn. Recently, a new Crest Foods opened to the west.

Amazon now owns Whole Foods and features over 500 stores in the U.S. and the United Kingdom.

Plans show a 36,500-square-foot store, similar to the store on Western.





Might Trader Joe's be right behind them?

I bet Crest is thrilled that a Whole Paycheck is opening pretty much next door...

I hope there will be a third metro location in Norman within the next couple of years. I still think the vacant Sears in the Norman mall could be a low effort place to locate one. I wonder if one might be part of the UNP development around the what's seems to be inevitable OU arena?

But nice to see more options in our growing metro.

I bet Crest is thrilled that a Whole Paycheck is opening pretty much next door...

Pretty sure they serve two different demographics (with a slight overlap), probably not really that worried.

Surprised they haven't built one in the Norman area

I bet Crest is thrilled that a Whole Paycheck is opening pretty much next door...

There's some impact I'm sure, but most of the customers will be coming from Sprouts or Natural Grocers.

Agreed, i dont think the Crest crowd is quite the same as the Whole Paycheck crowd.

Honestly, once Sprouts came around, I never had a reason to go all the way up to Whole Paycheck any more. There are way more Sprouts out there and the prices are better.

For me, Natural Grocers rarely has what I'm looking for (dairy free) because the stores aren't big enough to really have enough of it. But it's got plenty for plenty of people.

It wont affect this at all, but Green Acres is a pretty strong competition on the south side too. They're still going strong while Akins didn't make it on the north side.

I hope there will be a third metro location in Norman within the next couple of years. I still think the vacant Sears in the Norman mall could be a low effort place to locate one. I wonder if one might be part of the UNP development around the what's seems to be inevitable OU arena?

But nice to see more options in our growing metro.

That Sears would be a great location!