okclee
10-21-2010, 10:53 PM
So where is the attached liquor store that many of us had hoped for?
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okclee 10-21-2010, 10:53 PM So where is the attached liquor store that many of us had hoped for? Kerry 10-22-2010, 06:33 AM How can anyone say it fits the with surrounding area? The CHK campus is Georgian style and this thing is modernist farmers market. They don't go together. Don't let your love for Whole Foods cloud your thinking. They aren't going to cancel the plan if you say the design sucks - and this design sucks (especially compared to their other stores). wsucougz 10-22-2010, 08:54 AM How can anyone say it fits the with surrounding area? The CHK campus is Georgian style and this thing is modernist farmers market. They don't go together. Don't let your love for Whole Foods cloud your thinking. They aren't going to cancel the plan if you say the design sucks - and this design sucks (especially compared to their other stores). Some strong opinions based on one rendering from a single angle. There will be a lot of other buildings on this "triangle," how it all ties together remains to be seen. CuatrodeMayo 10-22-2010, 09:28 AM The CHK campus is Georgian style... Not so much anymore. The new buildings being built are quite different. This area is becoming quite ecletic. Kerry 10-22-2010, 09:30 AM Some strong opinions based on one rendering from a single angle. There will be a lot of other buildings on this "triangle," how it all ties together remains to be seen. A bunch of ugly surrounded by more ugly isn't going to make it any less ugly. I sure hope CHK isn't planning on building an eye-sore shopping center expecting it to be some design that will stand the test of time. I am not a fan of modernist farmers market. brownb01 10-22-2010, 05:34 PM A bunch of ugly surrounded by more ugly isn't going to make it any less ugly. I sure hope CHK isn't planning on building an eye-sore shopping center expecting it to be some design that will stand the test of time. I am not a fan of modernist farmers market. well...you know what they say about opinions. :) foodiefan 10-22-2010, 05:39 PM How can anyone say it fits the with surrounding area? The CHK campus is Georgian style and this thing is modernist farmers market. They don't go together. Don't let your love for Whole Foods cloud your thinking. They aren't going to cancel the plan if you say the design sucks - and this design sucks (especially compared to their other stores). Well, I did say so (and I still think so). Cuatro is on the mark, the new CHK buildings are far from Georgian. . .as is Classen Curve, and it seems to be fitting in quite nicely. Everything in that area is not Georgian, nor (in my opinion) should it be. Perhaps this is why CHK is developing their new buildings in a significantly different style. Diversity (again, in my opinion) is a good thing. My "love" for WF is not clouding my thinking (actually I prefer CM, but WF is the name in the game). You say the design "sucks", I disagree. So, perhaps the best we can presume is that we will agree to disagree. Cheers!! john60 10-22-2010, 07:15 PM I'll agree with the previous posters who don't find the architecture all that striking, but I do think that it blends in. To me, it really resembles the parking garage on the east side of the campus (http://www.e-a-a.com/#portfolio/project&category_id=3&project_id=9). They used some kind of clay blocks or something like that--that was the first thing I thought of when seeing this design. That parking garage seems to blend with the rest of CHK's campus quite well. On the other hand, it's kind of bad that a design for any building resembles a parking garage, even an award-winning parking garage. dismayed 10-22-2010, 10:32 PM I'm a fan of modern and yet this design does not impress me. A lot of modern works are based on imagery from the past... unfortunately this reminds me more of what someone in the 1950s would have thought the future would look like rather than a modernist interpretation for the 2010s. If they go with this hopefully it'll look better in person... that does happen sometimes. PennyQuilts 10-24-2010, 07:52 AM Well, I generally don't have a problem "seeing" the finished project from the early stages but for some reason, I am with this one. So I will withhold comment. I know one thing. I hope that chubby/pasty lady with the red spaghetti strap dress going into the building in the photo isn't there when I shop. I hope that is not their notion of what Oklahoma shoppers look like. At least she wasn't wearing overalls. circuitboard 10-24-2010, 08:21 PM I know one thing. I hope that chubby/pasty lady with the red spaghetti strap dress going into the building in the photo isn't there when I shop. I hope that is not their notion of what Oklahoma shoppers look like. At least she wasn't wearing overalls. hehe, that made me chuckle! So true. I just showed the design to my other half and he immediately said yuck! I hope it does turn out nice. Larry OKC 10-26-2010, 01:47 AM Completely underwhelmed. Not so much the design itself but the lack of color. Maybe change the brown to red or something more vibrant. I was underwhelmed with the renderings of the outlet mall but when Spartan posted picks of a completed project, the improvement was 1,000 percent (same colors etc). So we can hope. HOT ROD 10-26-2010, 02:34 AM Again, it's what's inside the building that matters. Larry OKC 10-26-2010, 04:39 AM Yep, a grocery store...ho hum Kerry 10-26-2010, 07:24 AM Again, it's what's inside the building that matters. This whole time I thought it was the name on the building that mattered. If not, someone needs to the change this thread title to Re: The Triangle at The Curve/ Grocery Store renderings wsucougz 10-26-2010, 09:05 AM Prediction - everybody ends up warming up to the finished product not unlike Classen Curve. metro 10-26-2010, 09:56 AM Wow, it's been a week or so and no articles with additional renderings from Oklahoman or Journal Record. I guess we'll have to wait another week or two. okclee 10-26-2010, 10:19 AM They are busy writing articles about poodle rescues, gap-toothed women, and sex-toy robberies. LOL I did not make that up either. The top 3 viewed stories at newsok.com. I guess the Okc tribe has spoken and people want the important articles such as these. I did drive by the WF site and I thought the WF pic looked better in person than it does with the pics seen on the web. Pete 10-26-2010, 10:19 AM Prediction - everybody ends up warming up to the finished product not unlike Classen Curve. Yes, modern design typically looks much better in the broader context of it's surroundings than more ornate alternatives. It's also consistent with how CHK is mixing clean, contemporary structures with the rows of Georgian brick buildings on it's campus. Spartan 10-26-2010, 06:29 PM Not so much anymore. The new buildings being built are quite different. This area is becoming quite ecletic. I think a lot of the eclectic style comes though from using Georgian as a base motif and contrasting other styles off of that. BG918 11-05-2010, 08:44 AM Trader Joe's is getting closer, opening two stores in the Kansas City metro (one in Missouri, one in Kansas). The Kansas store will not sell high point beer/wine or liquor (Kansas law prohibits it). I could see them moving into OKC and Tulsa in the next few years. http://www.kansascity.com/2010/09/15/2227372/trader-joes-coming-to-kc-area.html Just opened a store in Des Moines as well. So they are now in Omaha and Des Moines with 2 stores planned for the Kansas City metro. I think OKC might just be on the horizon for TJ's.. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20101105/BUSINESS/11050372/-1/SPORTS12/Trader-Joe-s-opens-in-West-Des-Moines metro 11-05-2010, 09:47 AM Omaha will have 2 locations as of next week and now Lincoln. Three other Trader Joe's are scheduled to open soon in the Midwest, including two Nebraska locations: Omaha on Nov. 12 and Lincoln on Dec. 3. No date has been disclosed for another one set to open in Rochester, Minn. ChargerAg 11-07-2010, 01:08 PM Anyupdate on what the site looks like? What kind of bribe do we need to give out to get some new pictures. betts 11-08-2010, 08:43 AM There are footings in place, but really nothing else. They continue to move earth on that block. I'm sure someone will post pictures when there's something interesting to see. Last time I went by they hadn't even had any steel delivered. metro 11-08-2010, 10:25 AM I drive by everyday, I will post pics next time some major work takes place, other than the huge amount of dirt they've moved last week. okclee 11-08-2010, 10:51 AM Here's the link to Gen. Contractor, Smith&Pickel, Webcam. http://oxblue.com/pro/open/smithandpickel/wholefoods ChargerAg 11-08-2010, 09:41 PM that web link is awesome. ejillparker 11-14-2010, 01:27 PM I passed by the site today, and there is now a sign up with the rendering and architect info. The architect is Mark Cavagnero, out of San Francisco. There is not a pic of the rendering on his web site yet, but here is a link to it: http://www.cavagnero.com/ (http://www.cavagnero.com/#) Kerry 11-15-2010, 07:07 AM Mark Cavagnero seems to have making glass and concrete boxes down to a science. metro 11-15-2010, 08:53 AM I passed by the site today, and there is now a sign up with the rendering and architect info. The architect is Mark Cavagnero, out of San Francisco. There is not a pic of the rendering on his web site yet, but here is a link to it: http://www.cavagnero.com/ (http://www.cavagnero.com/#) We've known this for a month: http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=23397&page=1 ejillparker 11-15-2010, 05:00 PM My bad! wsucougz 11-15-2010, 05:23 PM My bad! Ejill, The general rule to live by on these boards is anything you can think of has already been covered by metro. All you have to do is sit back and enjoy the ride! dmoor82 11-15-2010, 10:50 PM Pretty cool article from SuperMarket news http://supermarketnews.com/retail_financial/whole-foods-pending-arrival-1115/index1.html flintysooner 11-16-2010, 06:25 AM Pretty cool article from SuperMarket news http://supermarketnews.com/retail_financial/whole-foods-pending-arrival-1115/index1.htmlI thought this chart of market share was interesting: http://supermarketnews.com/images/0426_SNdiscounters-dominate.jpg dmoor82 11-16-2010, 08:01 AM ^^Wow! Walmart has almost half of The OKC market since WM owns Samsclub! flintysooner 11-16-2010, 08:51 AM ^^Wow! Walmart has almost half of The OKC market since WM owns Samsclub! Yeah, really shows how difficult it will be for other competitors to try to penetrate the market. That HEB article on Supermarket News was quite revealing I thought. Matt 11-16-2010, 09:08 AM ^^Wow! Walmart has almost half of The OKC market since WM owns Samsclub! Disgusting, isn't it? Kerry 11-16-2010, 09:16 AM Disgusting, isn't it? It just means OKC is ahead of the curve with the rest of the nation. http://www.ajc.com/business/publix-takes-no-1-558190.html Data, to be published by the Shelby Report in July, shows that Publix, with 143 stores in metro Atlanta, has 27 percent of the market, followed by Kroger with 131 stores and 25.5 percent, and Wal-Mart with 58 stores and 23 percent. Walmart has almost as much market share in Atlanta as #1 Publix but with nearly 1/3 the number of stores. Guess who is going to win that battle long-term. ------------------------------ Here in Jax it is more of the same. This story is 4 years old so today's number would even be better for Wal-Mart as they have opened seveal new Super Centers in the 'nicer' parts of Jax that compete directly with Publix shoppers. Winn-Dixie closed our local store after opening it just 2 years ago. http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/082406/bus_4615533.shtml And while Publix maintained its top spot, with 31.54 percent of the market under its belt, it felt the most pressure, with its market share dropping 2.24 percentage points in just a few months. It was quite a shake-up for a grocery landscape that typically has been predictable. Publix consistently performs well, followed next by Winn-Dixie, with a salivating (and multiplying) Wal-Mart close behind. The top players sometimes lost or gained share of the market from quarter to quarter, but rarely by much. That is, until Wal-Mart entered the market with gusto in 2003. Indeed, industry watchers point to Wal-Mart's robust growth for the dramatic shift. Of Wal-Mart's 12 local Supercenters, three have opened since May. But the chain's share of the grocery market jumped 4.78 percentage points - to 26.59 percent - beating out Winn-Dixie's 46 locations. Winn-Dixie's market share fell to 23.7 percent, a decrease of 1.25 percentage points. Once again, only 12 stores are bringing in 27% of the market J. Pitman 11-16-2010, 09:36 AM I thought this chart of market share was interesting: http://supermarketnews.com/images/0426_SNdiscounters-dominate.jpg That's just sad. ljbab728 11-16-2010, 11:25 PM So are those who are upset about Walmart's market share unhappy with Walmart or with the shopping public? I don't think Walmart is forcing anyone to shop there. John1744 11-16-2010, 11:33 PM If we can ever get our other store rebuilt hopefully Country Boy's marketshare will increase a bit. flintysooner 11-17-2010, 06:09 AM Just by way of comparison I found a similar chart for San Antonio in the article: http://supermarketnews.com/retail_financial/wal-mart-narrows-market-share-0426/index.html So in San Antonio it is HEB that has the huge share of the market and the article discusses how difficult it is for Wal-mart to penetrate that market. Here is the image of the chart: http://supermarketnews.com/images/0426_SNwal-mart-narrows.jpg JerzeeGrlinOKC 11-17-2010, 07:29 AM I should probably put this in the Crest killing Homeland thread, but since folks have pointed out that neat website (supermarketnews), I found a telling quote: http://supermarketnews.com/retail_financial/ar/how-big-too-big-1115/ "In general, retailers with inordinate market shares tend to harm their communities over the long term, according to Burt P. Flickinger III, managing partner of Strategic Resource Group, New York. 'When the supermarket sector contracts and key companies collapse, everyone in the town, county and state are hurt because of lower sales-tax revenue, higher vacancy rates in shopping centers, and landlords make less and pay less in taxes,' he said. 'Philanthropic and charitable contributions supported by local retailers go out, and the retailer and the supplier and manufacturer communities contract. So while Wal-Mart wins, it's often a loser locally.'" OKC was singled out in this article for its love of Wal-fart. We definitely need more competition and the cannibalizing is certainly harmful (not just Wal-fart). To tie this back to Whole Foods, this store will be so very good for the city. Rover 11-17-2010, 08:18 AM Whole Foods is a niche marketer and could care less about the WalMart shoppers. WF targets a specific demographics for its customers. Saving money and WF don't go together. Feeding a big family for less is not WF's objective. HEB is a long established local favorite with twice as many stores in San Antonio. And most of HEB is very competitively priced basic food. If Crest keeps upgrading their stores and adds more locations it can do what HEB does...grab the middle ground. BG918 11-17-2010, 08:29 AM I'm surprised Reasor's hasn't opened up a store in OKC. The newer ones I've been to in Tulsa remind me of HEB or Safeway. That article indicates they are on the radar. flintysooner 11-17-2010, 09:09 AM Whole Foods is a niche marketer and could care less about the WalMart shoppers. WF targets a specific demographics for its customers. Saving money and WF don't go together. Feeding a big family for less is not WF's objective. HEB is a long established local favorite with twice as many stores in San Antonio. And most of HEB is very competitively priced basic food. If Crest keeps upgrading their stores and adds more locations it can do what HEB does...grab the middle ground.In that article I noticed HEB had lost market from 67% in 2003 to 53% in 2010. Wal-Mart in same period moved from 14.3% to 20%. So others gained about 7% in the same period. When I was in San Antonio I thought HEB Plus was more like a Super Wal-Mart actually. I am just not fond of the huge stores for groceries though. flintysooner 11-17-2010, 09:20 AM I'm surprised Reasor's hasn't opened up a store in OKC. The newer ones I've been to in Tulsa remind me of HEB or Safeway. That article indicates they are on the radar. My friend from Tulsa constantly complains about the lack of choices there. She recently visited the new Crest Fresh Market and said she plans on loading up there when she visits. OKC@heart 11-17-2010, 10:23 AM HEB's are great and so vastly better than anything walmart has ever tried to put to market. I would love it if HEB considered expanding their reach northward. soonerguru 11-17-2010, 10:28 AM My friend from Tulsa constantly complains about the lack of choices there. She recently visited the new Crest Fresh Market and said she plans on loading up there when she visits. That's crazy. Reasor's is a very nice store -- and they have Whole Foods and Petty's on the higher end. Reasor's may not be as competitively priced as Crest but it blows away Homeland. flintysooner 11-17-2010, 10:59 AM That's crazy. Reasor's is a very nice store -- and they have Whole Foods and Petty's on the higher end. Reasor's may not be as competitively priced as Crest but it blows away Homeland. Just reporting what she said. Plus she goes to Whole Foods, too. betts 11-17-2010, 01:58 PM There are HEBs in Nebraska, so they're definitely expanding their range. We have always been in the grocery store doldrums and Whole Foods is the only ray of hope I've seen recently. redrunner 11-17-2010, 05:31 PM There are HEBs in Nebraska, so they're definitely expanding their range. We have always been in the grocery store doldrums and Whole Foods is the only ray of hope I've seen recently. You must be confused. Texas based H-E-B only serves Texas and Mexico. bluedogok 11-17-2010, 08:13 PM You must be confused. Texas based H-E-B only serves Texas and Mexico. Yep, they were in Lake Charles, Louisiana near the Texas border but closed it in 2003. H-E-B Mexico is pretty much operated as a completely separate entity like Central Market is. The Central Market management is in Dallas and H-E-B is in San Antonio. A friend who has developed some products for them said they developed a product for H-E-B and then had to go "sell it" to Central Market, he said there is very little overlap other than some products that both carry, they haven't even ventured into selling it to H-E-B Mexico. betts 11-17-2010, 10:11 PM You must be confused. Texas based H-E-B only serves Texas and Mexico. You are correct and I made an incorrect statement. Hy-Vee is in Nebraska, not H-E-B. I got them confused. Swake2 11-17-2010, 10:51 PM That's crazy. Reasor's is a very nice store -- and they have Whole Foods and Petty's on the higher end. Reasor's may not be as competitively priced as Crest but it blows away Homeland. Reasor's can vary a lot. The newer locations are very nice and well stocked. Nearly as good as Whole Foods and much larger. Quite a bit better than Target. The main downside is that they have all natural meats instead of organic. Some of the older ones in less wealthy parts of town are much less nice with a whole different selection of foods. Food Pyramid is also good, pretty expensive but good. They are the old Albertson's locations but they really upgraded the stores from what Albertson's was, adding Starbucks coffee shops to all the stores, better meats and much better organic and international foods sections. And yes, then there's Whole Foods and Petty's t3h_wookiee 11-21-2010, 09:29 PM Food Pyramid is rather nice indeed! The Albertson's in Bartlesville was rather rundown, but since it has become Food Pyramid it has greatly improved. Especially for the vegetarian residents in town! I've actually noticed that the prices when I've gone have been lower than they were before, excepting the meat department (which is much higher quality now though!). Vegan 11-24-2010, 09:13 PM Don't want to read through 11 pages to see if this was already mentioned, but......was in the Whole Foods in Tulsa a week ago and an employee there said that the one in OKC will not open until NEXT YEAR in December!!!! Something about the foundation turning out to be crap and having to start over...wasn't really paying attention after I heard "December next year". :( Pete 11-25-2010, 12:40 PM They are certainly moving very, very slowing at the WF construction site. Don't think it's due to the foundation, as one has yet to be poured! I think what's happening is that CHK is stepping back and designing a bunch of other features into the surrounding properties and wants to make sure and integrate Whole Foods into the bigger picture. Since they started on WF, they have started demolishing the Glenbrook Centre West building, have been doing extensive work on the creek that splits this parcel, etc. Rumor is that a hotel will go up north of Whole Foods and I bet there will be other development as well. Might mean that the Whole Foods opening is delayed a bit, but it's good news in terms of lots of other things going on in that immediate area. I'm sure CHK will do an outstanding job and that it will be worth the wait. ljbab728 11-25-2010, 10:59 PM There was an interesting feature on KFOR today by Bobbie Miller which mentioned Whole Foods prominently. It was concerning organic products at grocery stores and the cost versus desirability. I tried to find a link on their website but it wasn't there yet so this is partly by memory. I think they said the price of organic products in most stores was about 40 percent higher than nonorganic. At Whole Foods the price was about 70 percent higher. They also had an expert mentioning that there was absolutely no scientific proof currently that eating organic products was any healthier. So for those of you who want to buy organic, unless you have other reasons (and I know there are other reasons), you may be wasting your money. mcca7596 11-25-2010, 11:35 PM The lack of pesticides alone is to me an obvious and worthwhile benefit of organic foods; regardless, higher prices or not, it's great that Whole Foods is coming into the market and will offer local consumers another grocery choice. |