that's completely different, sir. It's a private yard and it would create a hole and destroy the grass.

And you could create a hole as well. I recall someone posting pictures on the Bleu Garten thread showing damage when someone drove on a sidewalk. Sidewalks are not meant for cars. Stay on the streets.

Edit: I already got roped back into this debate I said I wasn't going to engage in anymore. I deleted my post. Mods, please delete this, or don't. But if someone else manages to get me roped into this topic again, ban me for being off topic.

Edit: I already got roped back into this debate I said I wasn't going to engage in anymore. I deleted my post. Mods, please delete this, or don't. But if someone else manages to get me roped into this topic again, ban me for being off topic.

[QUOTE=Laramie;821394] This bridge structure looks modern & unique; why do we need the cables? Are they cosmetic or a part of the structure?


http://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/w620-f5c62263c14a5189c73c5692dcc07c55.jpg

Truly an iconic landmark type structure that will identify Oklahoma City.

The space frame structure itself is purely aesthetic. The truss bridge spans I-40 being supported at 2/3 length between E/W bound median support...

New OKC travel and tourism logos are all using Sundance now.

http://www.visitokc.com/includes/images/assets/shell/logo_hd_2014.png

Quite obviously those that don't like it are in the minority. And, it's quite clear that it's on the way to iconic status, if not there already.

So, get your car pics while driving on the sidewalk done now. It appears that soon you'll be forced to actually not be completely ghetto. Lol

Their usage of the bridge is quite nice. Twitter icon:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/501760095437324288/XYwjuaZh.jpeg (https://twitter.com/VisitOKC)

Web site header: Visit OKC (http://www.visitokc.com/)

Shirts:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvkZSKbCIAA08Nv.jpg (https://twitter.com/VisitOKC/status/502460634047328256)

I really like that.

It was also used in the new logo for OKC Pride this year, and quite well, I think:

http://okcpride.org/wp-content/uploads/LOGO2-300x153_transparent.png

http://oi57.tinypic.com/34nffh1.jpg

The hump at the end of the bridge is really bad and dangerous. I was there a couple weeks ago and someone who doesn't notice it could definitely get injured.

SkyDance Bridge Suffers Structural Problems - News9.com (http://m.news9.com/Story.aspx?story=26540029&catId=112032)

I had no idea that the hump was an issue. I thought it was to prevent people from trying to drive over the bridge or something. It seemed odd, but now it makes sense that it is buckling.

I would have thought 'expansion' of a wood deck would have been pretty easy for an engineer to plan for and get right on a bridge that is only a year old. Considering this bridge sees virtually zero foot traffic (compared to its cost), this seems pretty inexcusable - that said, I'm no bridge builder (but I have been known to burn more than a few).

Should be very easy to fix.

SkyDance Bridge Suffers Structural Problems - News9.com (http://m.news9.com/Story.aspx?story=26540029&catId=112032)

Leave it to 9 to sensationalize this. Buckling wood on a "fancy" bridge is hardly a "structural" problem.

Like

Leave it to 9 to sensationalize this. Buckling wood on a "fancy" bridge is hardly a "structural" problem.

And... and... it was SIX MILLION DOLLARS! And it is "already" having structural issues!

This isn't meant to incite people at all...

You take out a few of the planks and either have them planed down or put in narrower ones.

It's a simple fix.

Saw the story this morning...really quite sad that the engineers for this bridge couldn't or didn't originally calculate this happening.

wood expands and contracts as the temp changes. thought most folk figured that out in the latter days of grade school.

Seriously? Is OKC hiring amateurs to do this stuff again and again and again? :doh:

SkyDance Bridge Suffers Structural Problems - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/26540029/skydance-bridge-suffers-structural-problems)

“They just didn't allow for as much expansion as we got, but they can certainly prepare for that as we go forward,” City of Oklahoma City spokeswoman Shannon Cox said.

How about preparing for it *before* you construct it?

You take out a few of the planks and either have them planed down or put in narrower ones.

It's a simple fix.

But obviously costly or they wouldn't just be fixing the buckling as it becomes and issue and would instead fix it all.

Like my dad always said - "People never seem to have enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over."

Additionally, some of you scoff at it, but I think its a fairly significant issue. Makes us look like idiots and it poses a serious safety hazard for cyclists and anyone with mobility issue or utilizing a wheelchair or walker.

Oklahoma City SkyDance Bridge to temporarily close

The Oklahoma City SkyDance Bridge will temporarily close today through Friday, September 19 so crews can make repairs to the bridge deck. The 380-foot-long, 197- foot-tall landmark sculpture spans Interstate 40 near Robinson Avenue.

The bridge’s soaring architecture was inspired by Oklahoma’s state bird, the scissor-tailed flycatcher. It is located at the heart of the future MAPS 3 downtown park.

So what does this say about the scissortail flycatcher soaring over a freeway?

So what does this say about the scissortail flycatcher soaring over a freeway?

If you're a male flycatcher, watch out for your wood cause it might get compressed and buckle?

So what does this say about the scissortail flycatcher soaring over a freeway?

Nothing. Poorly planned decking is just that. Swap some boards and you're done. It's just disappointing that they didn't properly space them when they were originally installed.

Sounds to me like one variable might have been working with a material they were unfamiliar with.

Saw the story this morning...really quite sad that the engineers for this bridge couldn't or didn't originally calculate this happening.

Probably the same engineers who calculated the arc in the bridge spans on the Kilpatrick out by Yukon.

Sounds to me like one variable might have been working with a material they were unfamiliar with.

I thought the same thing, also it sounds like they were using wood designed for the inside for an outside installation. Sounds like they were looking at form or aesthetics over function.

I have never been by the Skydance when it is lit up at night. It's a ways from Mustang. As long as it does not do this number I'm sure we will be fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU

Sounds to me like one variable might have been working with a material they were unfamiliar with.

Just like the bridge that was damaged by welding ("Oops, we didn't know that would happen, we thought it was made of something else") or the fading crosswalks ("Oops, we didn't know it wasn't supposed to be applied to this kind of surface"), or the Kilpatrick bridge span weight miscalculations (not just by Yukon, but on the ramps to/from the Hefner Parkway), and who knows what else. Be really nice if this crap didn't happen over and over again, do some damn googling before you start a project....

Didn't allow for...miscalculated...blew it! Many years ago I had a prof for electromagnetic fields who did not give partial credit on problems; you were right or you were wrong. He had a knack for bringing in newspaper articles about things that "almost" worked, like missiles launched from subs that had problems getting through the water, etc. I can still hear him saying, "Perhaps these gentlemen got partial credit on their exams." Perhaps these gentlemen did, too.

Is this reopened yet? How did repairs go?

Is this reopened yet? How did repairs go?

I think it was only closed for a few days.

Bridge agreement: Chamber secures rights to use SkyDance image | The Journal Record (http://journalrecord.com/2014/12/30/bridge-agreement-chamber-secures-rights-to-use-skydance-general-news/)

Bridge agreement: Chamber secures rights to use SkyDance image | The Journal Record (http://journalrecord.com/2014/12/30/bridge-agreement-chamber-secures-rights-to-use-skydance-general-news/)

Bridge agreement: Chamber secures rights to use SkyDance image

By: Brian Brus The Journal Record December 30, 2014

OKLAHOMA CITY – The City Council approved a trademark agreement with the Greater Oklahoma City Chamber on Tuesday to allow the use of the image of the SkyDance Bridge over Interstate 40 to promote chamber activities.

Council members did likewise a few weeks earlier for MB LLC OKC, otherwise known as Mandalay Baseball, the owners of the Oklahoma City Dodgers baseball team replacing the RedHawks. The Triple-A league team wanted to feature the bridge on logos and jerseys, incorporating elements of the parent Los Angeles Dodgers’ history and the culture of Oklahoma City.

Such approval is likely to be the standard for key architectural projects, though a City Hall spokeswoman said she couldn’t identify any other such arrangement involving city properties.

In April 2009, the Oklahoma City Municipal Facilities Authority, on behalf of the city, entered into a contract for engineering and architectural services with Kansas-based MKEC Engineering Consultants Inc. and Obelisk Engineering Inc., doing business in Oklahoma as Spatial Experiments Lab or SXL, to provide a conceptual design and engineering for the SkyDance Bridge. The contract provided that Skydance Design LLC owned all representational rights relating to the bridge under a federal law known as the Visual Artists Rights Act.

The city and the municipal authority were granted limited rights to reproductions of the bridge that included a nonexclusive, royalty-free license to make miniatures and to use the logo in association with free or nonprofit products and services such as educational, city public relations and the arts. For any commercial uses, which cannot result in the generation of net revenue, the party must seek permission from SXL or Skydance Design Group.

In a memo to City Council members, City Manager Jim Couch said that clause seems to cover the chamber, which doesn’t intend to profit from the bridge’s image, although it is considered a commercial use.

“The chamber has engaged in discussions with Hans E. Butzer, principal involved with SXL and Skydance Design Group LLC, concerning the use of the SkyDance Bridge graphic image for both commercial and noncommercial purposes,” Couch said. “The image of the SkyDance Bridge used in the logo and the various iterations thereof appears to be of good quality that is of high quality and better than comparable products and certainly emphasizes the relationship of the chamber to Oklahoma City.”

The Oklahoma City Convention and Visitors Bureau, part of the chamber, has been using a representation of the bridge in its logo. The chamber could not be reached for comment by press time.

Kind of makes me wonder if the first proposals of the suspension bridge would have been built, if it would be as desirable as a logo as the current design is..?

Most Amazing Buildings in America - The Highline, Salvador Dali Museum, Lincoln Park Zoo (http://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/americas-most-stunning-architecture-lincoln-park-zoo-salvador-dali-museum-the-highline)

Includes Skydance Bridge along with Chelsea Highline in NYC and CityCenter in Las Vegas. Not bad company to be in.

Most Amazing Buildings in America - The Highline, Salvador Dali Museum, Lincoln Park Zoo (http://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/americas-most-stunning-architecture-lincoln-park-zoo-salvador-dali-museum-the-highline)

Includes Skydance Bridge along with Chelsea Highline in NYC and CityCenter in Las Vegas. Not bad company to be in.

The Margaret Hill bridge in Dallas made the list. It's definitely one of my favorite bridges.

Good to see the Skydance bridge on here. I've traveled I-40 from one end to the other and it one of the most unique structures on the entire route.

That pavilion at Lincoln Park Zoo is stunning. The Dali museum almost looks surreal...almost.

Great company. Good find!

The Margaret Hill bridge in Dallas made the list. It's definitely one of my favorite bridges.

Good to see the Skydance bridge on here. I've traveled I-40 from one end to the other and it one of the most unique structures on the entire route.

And just think what it could have been if they had kept the original design. :(

I agree. The suspension bridge would have been amazing. Another cheap out is the story here.

I agree. The suspension bridge would have been amazing. Another cheap out is the story here.

That's a very old story at this point and not really worth rehashing to any extent.

And just think what it could have been if they had kept the original design. :(

It would be interesting to know after all the changes they forced for it to hold a vehicles, if they have ever even had a maintenance vehicle on the bridge yet

I agree. The suspension bridge would have been amazing. Another cheap out is the story here.

It is amazing that some still focus on something that never happened vs. what has actually happened. The rest of the world just appreciates what it IS. Wish some in OKC could get past the critiquing and appreciate it as well.

It always amazes me too that every time there is something positive posted, someone has to tell us how cheap, stupid or backwards OKC is.

It is amazing that some still focus on something that never happened vs. what has actually happened. The rest of the world just appreciates what it IS. Wish some in OKC could get past the critiquing and appreciate it as well.

It always amazes me too that every time there is something positive posted, someone has to tell us how cheap, stupid or backwards OKC is.

Thank you, very well said; just hope it's very well read...

It is amazing that some still focus on something that never happened vs. what has actually happened. The rest of the world just appreciates what it IS. Wish some in OKC could get past the critiquing and appreciate it as well.

It always amazes me too that every time there is something positive posted, someone has to tell us how cheap, stupid or backwards OKC is.it amazes me there are people like you defending this sh!t. Go ahead and settle for mediocre and cheap. It's something this city is great at and made possible by people who give the city a free pass.

Yes, in light of this, I'm calling the city backwards and cheap. Actually, I think it's ODOT.

Some people just think the more they act critical the smarter it makes them look ... as if complaining about everything proves you don't "settle". LOL It doesn't matter how much others like it or respond positively. Some people tend to think the more you spend the greater the achievement. Sometimes it is a whole lot more difficult to actually produce something worthwhile while working within constraints.

I'm not trying to appear smart or critical. I want what's best for this city. The original bridge had me very excited. Now we have what we have. I don't like it and think we cheaper out.

I didn't even know this bridge existed until I saw it in real life. I thought it was awesome. Only afterwards did I see here what was originally proposed. I agree that the original proposal would have been a lot better, but I am still happy with what we got.

It's certianly an eye turner.

We've built the Skydance Bridge; that's in our arsenal--everything we build doesn't have to be a Taj Mahal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mxPCnQbIF_g
Skydance Bridge, Oklahoma City

Cool. We have a pistol in our arsenal. I'd rather have a boozuka. But we have the Skydance Bridge.

A boozuka? Is that a giant bottle of sake or something?

A boozuka? Is that a giant bottle of sake or something?

If it is, we do have one of those around
http://www.takemytrip.com/images/66_448_DSC00438.jpg

A boozuka? Is that a giant bottle of sake or something?retiny

It's certianly an eye turner.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZ_CJziSQnYCWKkZKNm5KHywAZM9Kkt dVOzlpJ_b0YG0UHlCBehttps://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQaQPfqBeDvaqRBXU-LyBYM4s_3v_bCrG7pls4RMHeAWCpbxiOg
Just don't stare at it too long; especially while driving--it can cause you to get crosseyed.

Maybe MAPS IV money can be used to upgrade the bridge. This and the other thread talking about linking Downtown to the OUHSC got me thinking.....if you look at the layout for the Central Park and the park area south of I-40, this is a place begging for a large deck over the interstate linking those 2 spaces. To me, it seems natural there should be more than a thin thread of a bridge. Perhaps a sister bridge could be designed that would be a wide park space.

And just think what it could have been if they had kept the original design. :(

No. A little pedestrian suspension bridge (common), probably wouldn't have made the list.

it amazes me there are people like you defending this sh!t. Go ahead and settle for mediocre and cheap. It's something this city is great at and made possible by people who give the city a free pass.

Yes, in light of this, I'm calling the city backwards and cheap. Actually, I think it's ODOT.

I defend the Skydance Bridge, I think it's better than the original design, due to the fact it's so much different than anything else in existence.

This bridge looks amazing.....at night.

Can't get on board with it during the day.
The structure serves absolutely no functional purpose.
If an outsider was asked what it was supposed to represent 100/100 times NONE would say a bird.
The original design was an infinite times better, except it may have not had changing LED lights which I do like.

It is amazing that some still focus on something that never happened vs. what has actually happened. The rest of the world just appreciates what it IS. Wish some in OKC could get past the critiquing and appreciate it as well.

It always amazes me too that every time there is something positive posted, someone has to tell us how cheap, stupid or backwards OKC is.

I think its part of a common mentality here that something has to be familiar to be worthwhile. A lot of people really just want OKC to have what they have seen somewhere else to validate its place in the world. It's interesting because it seems to me it's often people from outside the community that appreciate our unique attributes, while many locals have contempt for them.

I really liked the orginal design too, but in retrospect it was less original than what was built. In the end it is kind of cool that, as we purge other unique structures from our inventory, we have added something that has now been recognized for its originality. Unfortunately, many see that as a bad thing.

This bridge looks amazing.....at night.

Can't get on board with it during the day.
The structure serves absolutely no functional purpose.
If an outsider was asked what it was supposed to represent 100/100 times NONE would say a bird.
The original design was an infinite times better, except it may have not had changing LED lights which I do like.

My thoughts as well. The lights are the best thing going for this structure. During the day it is underwhelming and even a little strange looking.