as of 11/22 texas tech has one loss... ou handed them their first loss of the season. that's the only thing keeping ou in the hunt for the big 12 championship.



yes... but what's happening this season is more complex. in the big xii south there are currently three teams with one loss... ut, tt & ou. ut beat ou. tt beat ut. ou beat tt. normally, the team that won head-to-head would represent the south division, but this 'perfect storm' creates a three-way tie, an endless loop of who beat who. in such a situation, the team with the highest bcs ranking is chosen as a tie-breaker. ut is currently #2 in the bcs followed very closely by ou.

given that each of those three teams wins their final season game... tt stays around #8 having beaten unranked baylor. ut doesn't move much having beaten unranked texas a&m. ou nudges out ut in the bcs having beaten #12 osu. ou is ahead of ut in the bcs and therefore represents the big xii south.

tt beating baylor is pretty much a certainty. surprisingly, ut has lost to a&m in their last two meetings... so they could be handed another surprise... but they do have the advantage of playing at home. ou will definitely have their hands full with osu since they're playing in stillwater against a very strong and very eager opponent.

-M



mmm finally comes along with some correct information. This thread was starting to sound like those people at work that try to talk football but have no idea whats going on

My bad. Somehow I thought TT came into the past weekend with 1 loss, not sure why, but I did.

I also not aware BCS ranking was a deciding factor for a division W/L tie and thought it was all decided internal to the division. That's why I was confused on how OU could have any opportunity to nudge Texas out of the south if both won out this month.

Guess I oughta just root for A&M and hope. It's less confusing that way. But lawdy, don't tell my poppa. That wouldn't sit well with him at all.

ut, tt & ou. ut beat ou. tt beat ut. ou beat tt.

paper-rock-scissors.

Moot point now, as TT has two losses. But come the day after turkey day, if OU and Texas are the only two teams in the south division with one loss, and OU's loss is to Texas, I don't understand how OU can take the division. Maybe end up playing Texas in a BCS, sure, I see that can happen, but OU in the Big 12 Championship game is where I don't follow. It seems Texas takes the south outright, again assuming both win out this month.


Someone is not paying much attention. We've only heard 1,000 times about the 3 WAY TIE!!! Meaning no one has a head to head advantage.

someone is not paying much attention. we've only heard 1,000 times about the 3 way tie!!! meaning no one has a head to head advantage.

oh, c'mon... it was an honest mistake. is it really so important?

-M

oh, c'mon... it was an honest mistake. is it really so important?

-M


It is if you want to debate OU football.

We did it!

OSU put out much block aganist OU's running plays, so that last touchdown was definately a style points boost. 20 points lead, we're definately playin Missouri next week. :D

Its looking like OU has the advantage with the computers now, at least a few of them...I can't believe the coaches would jump TX over OU, so that leaves the AP poll..Hopefully they're not buying any of Mack Browns spin.
In early returns Sunday, OU leads Texas in BCS - CBSSports.com (http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/11985898)

> It is if you want to debate OU football.

What debate? I was looking for clarification, not advocating a position.
The first post began "I remained confused" and the second made it clear why I was confused (having thought TT had two losses after its last Norman game.)

But hey, thanks for playing, even if it was a different game on a different field. :)

its looking like ou has the advantage with the computers now, at least a few of them...i can't believe the coaches would jump tx over ou, so that leaves the ap poll..hopefully they're not buying any of mack browns spin.

at last check, ou is #2 in the 11/30/2008 coaches poll... edging out texas by one whole vote.

the ap poll ranks ou at #4, behind texas by 8 votes... but keep in mind that the ap poll no longer factors into the bcs calculation.

still waiting on the harris poll results...

-M

Post them as soon the official result is in!

AP was reliable, but now their not. lol

harris poll ranks ou #4 behind texas... with 6 points separating the two.

so...

both human polls reporting, each 1/3 of the equation:
coaches poll has ou #2, texas #3.
harris poll has ou #4, texas #3.

one of six computer rankings reporting, altogether 1/3 of the equation:
sagarin has ou #1, texas #2


we're curretnly waiting on these formulae:
anderson & hester
richard billingsley
colley matrix
kenneth massey
peter wolfe

i'd suspect the remaining computers will favor ou given their quality win on the road versus #12 ok state.

-M

it's ou vs. mizzou in arrowhead. ou is #2 in the bcs followed by #3 texas.

ou ended up being #1 in three of six computer polls, #2 in two of them and #4 in one. texas was #1 in one poll, #2 in two, #3 in two and #4 in one.

total score ended up being .935 ou, .9223 texas. that's a difference of .0127. texas led by .0084 last week.

whew.

-M

It's a MIRACLE!

To make this clear....

Oklahoma vs Florida will use the Orange Bowl stadium, but the title game will NOT be the Orange Bowl. It is the FedEx BCS National Championship Bowl. Odd, yes I know... How in the world can FedEx have two.... This one and the Orange Bowl?! Oh well, just clearing up the confusions.

Actually the Orange Bowl game and BCS National Championship games are to be played in Dolphins Stadium (formerly Joe Robbie and Pro Player Stadium) and not The Orange Bowl Stadium. The area where the original Orange Bowl Stadium is located has been slated to be the new baseball stadium for the Florida Marlins, if they ever get it approved. Even the University of Miami has moved their games to Dolphins Stadium.

The original Orange Bowl stadium has been torn down and no longer exists.

-SoonerDave

Wow! I didn't know that. Something new to learn! haha Thx guys!

Can't they stop rotating the bowl titles each year? I don't like it when they do that. To me, I think it is pointless. OU wins the Orange Bowl national title back in 2000 and to me it seems that this year the Orange Bowl isn't the national title and it degrades the past trophies. Did I type that out right? lol Ya get the idea.

Say for example, one year OU wins the Rose Bowl (not national champ) and the next year the Rose Bowl is the national champ title and two other teams play it, then OU will say... "We have the Rose Bowl trophy!" or it make the Rose Bowl trophy temporary top champ when it wasn't at the time it was given. Just strange that way.

Really, I just want them to stop rotating the titles. Decide on pernament titles, then have all the past trophies changed to reflect the correct title name for its ranking place.

Wow! I didn't know that. Something new to learn! haha Thx guys!

Can't they stop rotating the bowl titles each year? I don't like it when they do that. To me, I think it is pointless. OU wins the Orange Bowl national title back in 2000 and to me it seems that this year the Orange Bowl isn't the national title and it degrades the past trophies. Did I type that out right? lol Ya get the idea.

Say for example, one year OU wins the Rose Bowl (not national champ) and the next year the Rose Bowl is the national champ title and two other teams play it, then OU will say... "We have the Rose Bowl trophy!" or it make the Rose Bowl trophy temporary top champ when it wasn't at the time it was given. Just strange that way.

Really, I just want them to stop rotating the titles. Decide on pernament titles, then have all the past trophies changed to reflect the correct title name for its ranking place.

The Orange Bowl is NOT the championship bowl this year. It is only being held at the same location. Cincinnati or Virginia Tech will be the Orange Bowl champions this season, and OU or Florida will be the BCS Champion.

Next year, the Pasadena, CA will host the BCS Title game and it will be played at the Rose Bowl, but it will not be the Rose Bowl event. It's being held a week before the BCS title game.

I think it's pretty clear as to how it works.

They added the Championship game at an existing facility, so the "bowl games" (Rose, Orange, Sugar and Fiesta) are still the same and the championship game is something entirely different. I think that game may have been added in 2006.

I think that's a good change.

To make things down here clear, UF is nowhere near here. (Thank God) Gainseville is at least 4 hours north of here. BOOMER SOONERS!!!

To make things down here clear, UF is nowhere near here. (Thank God) Gainseville is at least 4 hours north of here. BOOMER SOONERS!!!

As a native Palm Beacher, I'll second that. I didn't know where Gainesville was until I went to college there.

Go Gators!

Oklahoma City Gator Club / Oklahoma Gator Club (http://www.okgators.com)

After reading the sports page of the Daily Oklahoman this morning I was left asking myself two questions. Is Barry Tramel actually interested in sports? And has he sold his soul to E. Z. Million. (gag reflex)

http://newsok.com/jones-new-house-a-tempting-treat/article/3388745?custom_click=columnist

Anyone who is a real sports fan who has attended the OU-Texas game in Dallas knows where that game should be played. The Cotton Bowl. You can say all you want about Jerry world. Im sure its a nice stadium and Im looking forward to seeing it when OU takes on Byu in sept. But football, especially at schools like Ou and Texas is about more than two teams playing a game. Its about pride, tradition, family traditions, rivalry, love and hate, and memories.

Football is a game meant to be played outside (no matter the conditions) with the fans in their seats watching the game cheering on their team til the end. Not about comfy lounge chairs, air-conditioning, bars, overpriced parking, tofu rolls or how many flat screen tvs you can watch the game from under the stands while your seat goes unused. And its definitely not about feeding the ego of multi-millionaire businessmen who care about profit more than the game. OU-Texas should mean more than that. And it does. Its about tradition. The rotc run, the state fair, the driving down in caravans of decorated cars and buses. Stopping for the bevo bash. Painting bridges and crossing the red river. (bridges have a lot to do with the history of the haterd/rivalry between OU and Texas) Its about friday night confrontations with rival fans, saturday morning hangovers....and pride. Its old school football. The way it was meant to be.

Tramels article will sway some younger less fervent fans. But not real football fans. I never was a big Tramel fan. If you listen to him on the radio he is indeciesive and whiny. Not traits that have much in common with football. If you read his article from December E.Z. Million has a point (http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/04/ez-million-has-a-point/) you'll see that he has been friends with EZ for years and is now starting to think like him. But is he on the payroll?

OU-Texas history: Red River Rivalry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_River_Rivalry)

Boomer Sooner :ou2

There was a time when Trammel (sp) was a very good writer. He is still a fair writer, but I believe given the downward spiral of newspapers, he's been given a charter to write incendiary columns merely to incite discussion. I'm not sure how much of his stuff he really believes.

I agree absolutely and incontrovertibly that OU-Texas belongs in the "original" Cotton Bowl stadium. They've fixed the stadium, made it habitable and playable, and that's all we need. Taking OU-Texas out of the State Fair of Texas borders on the criminally insane.

And we're back! OU plays Byu in Arlington, Texas. Discuss the game, players, and more!

WOW!!! that game sucked! Bradford injured and OU couldnt convert 3rd downs and too many damn penalties! bad start to the season! OSU looked good vs. UGA!

WOW!!! that game sucked! Bradford injured and OU couldnt convert 3rd downs and too many damn penalties! bad start to the season! OSU looked good vs. UGA!

The entire OSU football team is being relocated to Fond Du Loc, Wisconsin. Sorry.

WOW!!! that game sucked! Bradford injured and OU couldnt convert 3rd downs and too many damn penalties! bad start to the season! OSU looked good vs. UGA!

I heard. OU relies on Sam WAY TOO MUCH. Did they not learn from last year?! They did NOT prepare in the event of Sam being injured again. Now he was and look what happened. Altho I did not watch the game, it is still totally pathetic.

Even with Sam in the game, they were playing like a wanna be from the Sunbelt Conference (no offense to them). Sorry. People can say the game was lost because Sam went out, but OU did not deserve to win that game. They played HORRIBLY slop and undisciplined. If anything, the lose will help them figure out what is broke. With an "easy" game next week...maybe they can get things fixed. Playing like they are now they lose Texas, OSU, Tech...and games like Nebraska, Kansas, Miami and Tulsa become close. Heck Baylor is doing really well, so they may have a shot with this crap team that is playing right now.

OU got outplayed. Not an easy sentence to write, but a true one.

They had more false starts than a high school player in the back seat of dad's malibu.

OU got outplayed. Not an easy sentence to write, but a true one.

They had more false starts than a high school player in the back seat of dad's malibu.

I think they got out-coached. I believe OU has superior athletes overall. Why they can't convert that into big wins is a mystery to me. Setting aside the coaching, I think it was the penalties that sunk them. If you add up the yardage lost to penalties, it's equal to another touchdown...easily the difference in the game. I wasn't that worried when Sam went down because he hadn't done much to that point, plus I felt like Landry Jones could get the job done. And I still think Landry was doing well enough to win if OU hadn't insisted on shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity.

Can someone be specific on Sam's injury and how long he will be out?

They'll have more on the injury tomorrow it sounds like.

Kinda glad the pressure is off this season already...O-line looked as green as possible and the receivers aren't going to scare anyone

Hopefully it's OSU's time to shine cause I sure as hell ain't rootin for Colt and co

Kinda glad the pressure is off this season already...O-line looked as green as possible and the receivers aren't going to scare anyone

Hopefully it's OSU's time to shine cause I sure as hell ain't rootin for Colt and co

Actually the pressure is now even larger because there is absolutely no margin for error. OU has to win out to even have a chance to play in the BCS.

And yes they have a chance, if you are going to lose, lose early. The last three years the team that won the National Championship had at least one loss.

I would say their chances are VERY slim after seeing what they have to offer

Course that could end up being their worst performance but it will be hard to win anything substantial with first time starters all over the line and receiving corp

I would say their chances are VERY slim after seeing what they have to offer

Course that could end up being their worst performance but it will be hard to win anything substantial with first time starters all over the line and receiving corp

It is the first game and it takes time to get everything in order.

It is like you going to bowling, the first game, not so good, until you get more in sync.

I'm with 180 on this. On one hand, our 2000 Title season was a sloppy as hell season. TONS of ugly wins. However this year...you can't have an O-line that lets your QB become a floor mat every play. Yeah it sucks this may be a rebuilding year...especially since we may loose Bradford for sure next year. However, i'd rather us have a rebuilding year for the kids to grown knowing they have to earn every win...instead of thinking just because they have OU on the helmet - that they deserve to win.

The offensive line needs a lot of work. Thats painfully obvious. Watching the sooners self destruct while driving inside the 10 yard line was excruciatng. Who gets a delay of game on 4th and 1 on the 6 inch line? OMG. Idaho State on the schedule never looked so good!!!

Heres a scary thought. With Boise State and Brigham Young both winning the first....and hardest games on their schedules...whats going to happen if Boise, BYU, Florida and Texas all go undefeated? Right now ESPN has OU playing in the Cotton Bowl at the end of the season in their bowl projections with OSU in the Fiesta, and Texas-Fla in the NC game. NCAA College Football BCS Bowl Projections Week 1 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections?season=2009&week=1)

Theres a lot of season to play but OU looked bad across the board, with a few exceptions (Gerald McCoy). They have Idaho State, then Tulsa before a week off, then Miami in Miami. Lets hope Sam gets well soon. Cause it (schedule) gets tough real fast after that. The latest news coming out isnt sounding promising though. Oklahoma Sooners quarterback Sam Bradford out indefinitely - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4452318)

Hats off to Mike Gundy and OSU....they looked pretty good once they lost the yips they had early in the game. I wish OU could have done that. And Congrats to BYU for playing a great game ....esp on defense.

You know what is so odd about Bob Stoops is that during all the games, when anything goes wrong, he blows up. But afterwards, he seem to be a kind and gentle coach.

I'll miss the game this Saturday... Any games starting at 6, I'll miss it. I'll definately, somehow, try to take off for the Texas and OSU games.

I guess the ponies crapping on the field was a sign....

Why a 53 yard field goal? Dont trust your quarterback and or receivers to get 15 yards for a 1st down? Tom Landry is good, Just youtube his high school reel to see what this guy can do. He has talent, Just hopefully the coaches will let him show it in the next game instead of spending his time looking towards the sidelines for the call to run up the middle.......

Very bad calls by the coaching staff in this game. Sam Bradford getting hurt is less then half of this story..

Anybody have a picture of this infamous mustache?

Tom Landry is good, Just youtube his high school reel to see what this guy can do. He has talent, Just hopefully the coaches will let him show it in the next game instead of spending his time looking towards the sidelines for the call to run up the middle.......

Very bad calls by the coaching staff in this game. Sam Bradford getting hurt is less then half of this story..

Heres Landry Jones' stats from Artesia High School 07-08

Passing
................. Comp Att Yds Y/G Comp % TD Int Long QB
Season Totals: 238 366 3580 275.4 .650 44 11 68 124

And just a guess but heres how I think the rankings will fall.

1. Florida
2. Texas
3. USC
4.Alabama
5. Ohio st.
6. Mississippi
7. Okla. St
7. Penn st.
9. LSU
10. California
11. BYU
12. Boise st.
13. Georgia tech
14. OU

Here's a bit of my experiences at the game. JerryWorld is big and nice, but seems like on overgrown arena to me...maybe it was the carpet. Being in the architecture biz it is always interesting to go see new buildings.

The scoreboard info was pathetic, not every square inch of electronic board space needs to be used for advertising, you can give some of that space up for info, I don't need 30,000 lineal feet of board space to know that AT&T is the official telecommunications provider of the Dallas Cowboys, everyone is going to be able to see that even is some space is used for providing useful info. Speaking of that, cell service in and around the arena was horrible and I have AT&T service. No data service at all and all calls never came though, I just got messages. We were trying to meet up with the person who had my tickets and resorted to sending text messages back and forth and it usually took a few times to send those through.

Down in our seats it was hot, not outdoors hot but hot nonetheless, my wife thought it was fine. It felt great when we walked in from outside but after everyone piled in it got warm. My dad and uncle were sitting in Section 447 and had an A/C vent blowing on them, my dad said I would have loved that.

Getting in was easy (Lot 11), we got there early and at the Bone Fish place across Collins, packed with Sooner fans it was pretty good eats. Getting out was a different story we finally wound our way out of there taking a little over an hour to get out of the parking lot, not much different than some of the lots at Texas Stadium. We stopped at the Ihop at Plano Parkway near Preston on the way back to my uncles house, there were quite a few fellow Sooners in there and one BYU group showed up.

Here are some pics that my wife took...first the outside

http://bluedogok.com/ou_byu/DSCN0700.jpg
http://bluedogok.com/ou_byu/DSCN0701.jpg

One with my wife and people in it to give a sense of scale.
That is a Dallas Cowboys shirt that she is wearing (Tech grad), she didn't realize BYU had similar colors.
http://bluedogok.com/ou_byu/DSCN0702.jpg

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From our seats (Section 133, Row 14)
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OU got outplayed. Not an easy sentence to write, but a true one.

They had more false starts than a high school player in the back seat of dad's malibu.

Hee hee! I was going to say they looked like one of John Blake's teams with all of the procedure penalties but this is much better.

Bluedog, I agree with most of your comments. The pictures don't do the place justice as far as the sheer size of the arena. It's MASSIVE, and when you walk in it's simply OVERWHELMING, especially seeing 100,000 or so fans sitting inside, plus all the workers and other activity going on. Surreal. Despite the loss, the experience was still a good experience. I left with about 10 minutes left in the game to beat all the traffic (we were still ahead at that time, and we got out with ZERO traffic)!!

I totally agree and heard lots of complaints about the scoreboard info, that the score and other stats were rarely up. I didn't get that either. Also heard a lot of men in the restroom (and I agree) that the restrooms were POORLY designed. That's the first mens room in a modern arena/stadium, that had long lines, mainly due to the poor layout (O ring shape). Too much wasted space and not enough urinals, also the one tv in the restrooms weren't working.

Cell phone service was typically no service, and their "free wi-fi" I could never connect to. Jerry definitely has some improvements to make, although the palace is still impressive. I heard he was at the game down in the loge boxes.

Bluedog, I agree with most of your comments. The pictures don't do the place justice as far as the sheer size of the arena. It's MASSIVE, and when you walk in it's simply OVERWHELMING, especially seeing 100,000 or so fans sitting inside, plus all the workers and other activity going on. Surreal. Despite the loss, the experience was still a good experience. I left with about 10 minutes left in the game to beat all the traffic (we were still ahead at that time, and we got out with ZERO traffic)!!

I totally agree and heard lots of complaints about the scoreboard info, that the score and other stats were rarely up. I didn't get that either. Also heard a lot of men in the restroom (and I agree) that the restrooms were POORLY designed. That's the first mens room in a modern arena/stadium, that had long lines, mainly due to the poor layout (O ring shape). Too much wasted space and not enough urinals, also the one tv in the restrooms weren't working.

Cell phone service was typically no service, and their "free wi-fi" I could never connect to. Jerry definitely has some improvements to make, although the palace is still impressive. I heard he was at the game down in the loge boxes.

Metro, I'm not picking on you here but you left with TEN minutes of game time and the outcome wasn't even close to being decided yet? Do you leave the movie theater 20 minutes before the movie ends? Do you walk out of a concert before the band plays it's hit song? Do you leave the fireworks display before the big finale? I could understand leaving after the missed field goal because by then the game had been decided, but a full TEN minutes??

My game ticket was $100, it cost me $40 for gas to drive down, another $38 to park plus another $20 for food. So basically I paid $200 to go to the game. For that price, I'm staying for every single second.

I was in traffic for all of 45 minutes. I was home in Choctaw by 2:30 a.m. and that included stopping for food. Roughly 4 and a half hours after the final whistle.

For me, I can't understand why anyone would not want to get their full money's worth just to beat a little traffic.

Metro, I'm not picking on you here but you left with TEN minutes of game time and the outcome wasn't even close to being decided yet? Do you leave the movie theater 20 minutes before the movie ends? Do you walk out of a concert before the band plays it's hit song? Do you leave the fireworks display before the big finale? I could understand leaving after the missed field goal because by then the game had been decided, but a full TEN minutes??

My game ticket was $100, it cost me $40 for gas to drive down, another $38 to park plus another $20 for food. So basically I paid $200 to go to the game. For that price, I'm staying for every single second.

I was in traffic for all of 45 minutes. I was home in Choctaw by 2:30 a.m. and that included stopping for food. Roughly 4 and a half hours after the final whistle.

For me, I can't understand why anyone would not want to get their full money's worth just to beat a little traffic.

I totally agree. I don't understand the mentality of leaving a game early - especially one that is close.

Metro, I'm not picking on you here but you left with TEN minutes of game time and the outcome wasn't even close to being decided yet? Do you leave the movie theater 20 minutes before the movie ends? Do you walk out of a concert before the band plays it's hit song? Do you leave the fireworks display before the big finale? I could understand leaving after the missed field goal because by then the game had been decided, but a full TEN minutes??

My game ticket was $100, it cost me $40 for gas to drive down, another $38 to park plus another $20 for food. So basically I paid $200 to go to the game. For that price, I'm staying for every single second.

I was in traffic for all of 45 minutes. I was home in Choctaw by 2:30 a.m. and that included stopping for food. Roughly 4 and a half hours after the final whistle.

For me, I can't understand why anyone would not want to get their full money's worth just to beat a little traffic.

Well for one, we were playing crappy the entire game, two I left my SEAT about 10 minutes early, then had to walk down a couple levels so it was probably about 5 minutes or so left before the game ended by the time I got to the doors. I had SRO tickets so they weren't that pricey. Plus I had a wife with a bad knee who had been standing almost the entire game. To me it was worth it to get her back to the hotel and to not sit in bumper to bumper traffic as 100,000 people left in mass exodus. Typically I stay until after the game in Norman, but if you go to any home games, you'll know tens of thousands of fans leave early to beat the traffic, and Norman traffic isn't that bad, even on gameday. :ou2

Do "tens of thousands" of fans usually leave when the outcome of the game is still up in the air?

Do "tens of thousands" of fans usually leave when the outcome of the game is still up in the air?

To be fair to Metro, generally at OU home games the outcome is decided at half time. And tens of thousands do leave.

Metro, I understand the wife's gimpy knee. Of course I would have just left her at home. :)

My tickets were at the very top section, around the 45 yard line. I was looking down at the video screen. Walking down that ramp after the game took a good ten minutes.

I will say overwhelmingly that Sooner fans were gracious in defeat, many of the BYU faithful commented on how great our fans were.

To be fair to Metro, generally at OU home games the outcome is decided at half time. And tens of thousands do leave.

Right, which is why I qualified it with the whole "when the outcome of the game is still up in the air" part. How many thousands left before the end of the TCU game, for example? I'm just asking--the last time I went to a game in Norman, Cale Gundy was quarterbacking. http://i30.tinypic.com/35iu9gw.gif

Not that they mean anything this time of the year except bragging rights, but the new polls are out. OSU is either 5th or 6th :congrats:

and OU is either 13th or 14th depending on the poll you look at.

2009 NCAA College Football Polls and Rankings for Week 2 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings)

Based on who won and such, I can't see any heartburn in those placements.

me thinks stoops isnt the great coach he was about 9 years ago. fans are still living in stoops past fame when he brought OU a natl championship title.

doesnt look like its gonna happen for a while.

maybe stoops can give that lost $40 mil to bradford as a consolidation prize.

I just found this commentary from the Austin statesmen writer John Kelso. Nothing like knowing OU losing causes such joy and patheticness in Texas.

Oklahoma deserves a pity party, or a greeting card (http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/09/08/0908kelso.html)

I can't believe the paper let him publish that. He should be fired! This coming from a die hard OSU fan!

Some of it was funny. Most of it you could sub any any team that lost its season opener and it would still fit their fans as well. Such is the worship of the pointed pig testicle.