This is the same developer that has proposed a hotel west of The Hill and east of The Wedge on Russell M. Perry, correct? And what was that chain to be?

Enough with the hotels already, all this is doing is giving the city more and more reasons not to come up with a $50M public subsidy for CC Hotel....

Enough with the hotels already, all this is doing is giving the city more and more reasons not to come up with a $50M public subsidy for CC Hotel....

When it comes to hosting an All-Star game...we are very far away from the minimum # of rooms required to host such an event. Keep 'em a comin!

Oklahoma City won't host an All-Star game for long while...

Oklahoma City won't host an All-Star game for long while...

Yeah, because there's not enough hotel rooms, lol.

Enough with the hotels already, all this is doing is giving the city more and more reasons not to come up with a $50M public subsidy for CC Hotel....

This in no way negates the need for a first class hotel downtown as an anchor CC hotel. Apples and oranges. It is time we get another QUALITY full service hotel downtown, CC or no CC.

Ok, I don't want to hear the whining when the CC Hotel is scrapped because we implemented enough hotel stock to support the new convention center.

Ok, I don't want to hear the whining when the CC Hotel is scrapped because we implemented enough hotel stock to support the new convention center.

Don't worry that wont happen

If the CC Hotel isn't scrapped it could be dramatically downsized...to like 300-400 rooms...if we really want to compete with the Austin's, Nashville's and Ft. Worth's....we need to build a 600+ room hotel.

Ok, I don't want to hear the whining when the CC Hotel is scrapped because we implemented enough hotel stock to support the new convention center.

Calm down.

ok, :rock_guit lol

Not directly referring to heating and air, how many rooms can this market support? We probably have upwards of 1,000 rooms proposed or under construction in a 1 mile radius not including any rooms the convention center hotel would bring.

It is referencing the amount of LOW END hotel rooms coming on. Through the wall is a type of air conditioning unit/system that is used mostly on cheaply constructed lower priced hotels/motels. The market is or is getting saturated with these types of lower end products. This would be like all the new retail being Dollar Trees or Walls Bargain Stores.

It is referencing the amount of LOW END hotel rooms coming on. Through the wall is a type of air conditioning unit/system that is used mostly on cheaply constructed lower priced hotels/motels. The market is or is getting saturated with these types of lower end products. This would be like all the new retail being Dollar Trees or Walls Bargain Stores.
I agree. I believe we were saying the same thing under slightly different wording.

It is referencing the amount of LOW END hotel rooms coming on. Through the wall is a type of air conditioning unit/system that is used mostly on cheaply constructed lower priced hotels/motels. The market is or is getting saturated with these types of lower end products. This would be like all the new retail being Dollar Trees or Walls Bargain Stores.

<--- This. As much as I am excited to see additional hotels coming in the downtown area, it seems like we are only getting 2.5 to 3 star hotels. Like it or not on the merits, a Hilton Garden Inn or a Hampton Inn has a different reputation than a mainline Hilton. An Aloft, while nice, has a different reputation than a Westin or W Hotel. I'm not saying we shouldn't be happy to see more rooms coming in; I'm just slightly alarmed to not be seeing the balance of higher end hotels and the mainstream ones we are getting.

Count me in the crowd that is growing tired of the budget chains and ready for the likes of a Hyatt, Omni, Marriott, or Westin downtown. Hell, I'd even take a Doubletree at this point. Having a Renaissance, the Skirvin (Hilton), and a sub-par Sheraton as the only high quality chains downtown leaves me wanting.

I personally don't mind the lower priced hotels. It makes downtown a viable choice for a far greater number of visitors. It is kind of weird that people complain that downtown housing cost too much and argue that lower residential prices would bring in more people and then take the exact opposite view on hotels. I think downtown needs hotels at all price points but they should follow a bell curve, some at the high end, most in the middle, and some at the very low end. Would one or two more at the high end be welcomed? Yep, but if it take a while for those to get here that is okay. In the meantime we have a Marriott, Hilton, Shearton, and the Colcord. I also wouldn't mind some at the very low end either like a Microtel and Roadway. Heck, even a Best Western would do.

All these lower-end rooms are fine but we really need more nicer, full-service hotels as well.

It's interesting how everything in the CBD is higher end and generally nicer and then everything in the Bricktown / Deep Deuce area is at the lower price points.

It's interesting how everything in the CBD is higher end and generally nicer and then everything in the Bricktown / Deep Deuce area is at the lower price points.

Different clientel and don't forget the power of the expense report. I know people who stay in hotels they would never pay to stay in if they were picking up the bill themselves.

Application before the Bricktown Design Review Committee for this project.

It will now be a Staybridge Suites hotel with 88,000 square feet.

Can't see any more details but they will have to present detailed plans and rendering at the meeting in about a month.

Application before the Bricktown Design Review Committee for this project.

It will now be a Staybridge Suites hotel with 88,000 square feet.

Can't see any more details but they will have to present detailed plans and rendering at the meeting in about a month.

they are giving a Applicant Presentation (for info only) at tomorrow's meeting .. i hope steve or someone can get some pics of their renderings ..

For those keeping score, that brings the total to EIGHT new hotels for Bricktown and the adjacent area.

1. Aloft (under construction)
2. Hilton Garden Inn and Homewood suites (u/c)
3. Holiday Inn Express (about ready to start demolition)
4. This project: Staybridge Suites
5. East Bricktown (proposed as part of development with apartments)
6 & 7. Two hotels at the SE corner of Sheridan & Charlie Christian
8. Hotel (by same developer as 6 & 7) at the SW corner of NE 1st and Russel M. Perry

These in addition to the existing Hampton Inn & Residence Inn.



We've come a long way since only having the Sheraton as the sole downtown hotel just about 20 years ago.

Hopefully this project doesn't end up looking like this:

http://www.jessup.edu/files/student-life/images/WELCM_EXTR_1_E.jpg

Hopefully this project doesn't end up looking like this:

http://www.jessup.edu/files/student-life/images/WELCM_EXTR_1_E.jpg

in this location i can't say that even that would bother me all that much

Hopefully this project doesn't end up looking like this:

http://www.jessup.edu/files/student-life/images/WELCM_EXTR_1_E.jpg

What don't you like, specifically?

Let's all elevate the state of our architectural criticism here.

Too much stucco...I am sure that the BUDC will hold them accountable if they come with some suburban design...

Something like this looks a lot better, still suburban, but mostly brick:

http://www.namanhotels.com/ColumbiaStaybridge-Top.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5072/5863009471_0be34063f0.jpg

What don't you like, specifically?

Let's all elevate the state of our architectural criticism here.

They could build that exact strucutre if they just drop the landscaping and parking lot (which they probably won't have anyhow since land is becoming to valuable for those items).

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5072/5863009471_0be34063f0.jpg

Yep that would do it. A building just like that would be perfect. And in that location they will keep a parking lot

Yep that would do it. A building just like that would be perfect. And in that location they will keep a parking lot

Here is the Staybridge Suites in downtown Chattanooga. They put the parking lot behind the building away from the street.

http://www.tnetnoc.com/hotelimages/750/60750/2631759-Staybridge-Suites-CHATTANOOGA-DWTN-CONV-CTNR-Hotel-Exterior-6.jpg

The Staybridge Suites in Baton Rouge, LA is nice. I'd want it to have less stucco on the exterior and it might have to be an L-shape to work on the proposed lot, but it's the best-looking to me in terms of frame of design, not necessarily the material they used. Make sense?

Edit: I found a good picture of it.

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Yes, I hope they make them build it zero lot line and up to the street and put parking in back near highway.

Ummmmmmm........ (I'm at the presentation now)...... um, yeah......

Ummmmmmm........ (I'm at the presentation now)...... um, yeah......

pics for your blog please?

That bad huh?

Steve, please tell me your post was one of awe and amazement at what you'd just seen...

Steve, please tell me your post was one of awe and amazement at what you'd just seen...

Sadly, that could still go either way.

Sadly, that could still go either way.

Fair enough. I'm hoping it was joyous awe and amazement.

Fair enough. I'm hoping it was joyous awe and amazement.

Same here, but the way he phrased it definitely comes across as "y'all ain't gon' be too happy 'bout this".

Same here, but the way he phrased it definitely comes across as "y'all ain't gon' be too happy 'bout this".

My expectation are pretty darn low to begin with. I wish I could be like some people and set my standards as low as my expectation. It would save me a lot of arguing :)

Anyhow, here is hoping for the best. Sad to think that Holiday Inn Express might be our best example of urban design in Bricktown.

Look at the bright side surely it can't be worse than this? LOL

http://www.buildtosuitinc.com/Images/Residential/C17-SuburbanExterior.jpg

Well, that is about what I am expecting, but with a larger parking lot.

Steve wrote an article on this subject a few days ago stating that downtown Tulsa has embraced urban design & architecture more than downtown Oklahoma City, and used the new Fairfield Inn & Suites in downtown Tulsa as an example. With the hotel being pushed to the street, and ground floor retail:

Tulsa's downtown development reflects pride of those involved | News OK (http://newsok.com/tulsas-downtown-development-reflects-pride-of-those-involved/article/3754402?custom_click=columnist)

"Consider that the new Fairfield Inn and Suites in Brady boasts an all-brick facade and a first floor dedicated to retail — urban amenities not included with any of the new hotels built anywhere in downtown Oklahoma City to date.
The Fairfield Inn, without any urban design ordinance to say otherwise, could have been built with a traditional stucco facade and suburban setback from the street."

http://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r620-4a90a50834105303696f4d41f4c446a3.jpg

Steve hit the nail on the head wih that article. It really comes down to the pride, taste and style of the developer. It is too bad we need to have design standards at all. I am not an OKC historian but I think downtown OKC was much better before design standards even existed. Modern zoning didn't start until the 1940's - about the same time OKC start to nose-dive. How did the old downtown some of us cry over get built without zonig rules and architectural review boards? Answer, the developers took pride in their buildings.

Steve hit the nail on the head wih that article. It really comes down to the pride, taste and style of the developer. It is too bad we need to have design standards at all. I am not an OKC historian but I think downtown OKC was much better before design standards even existed. Modern zoning didn't start until the 1940's - about the same time OKC start to nose-dive. How did the old downtown some of us cry over get built without zonig rules and architectural review boards? Answer, the developers took pride in their buildings.

no bricktown wasn't "bricktown" because of the pride of the developers ... brick buildings were the standard industrial building of the time ...

we got the stewart sheet metal buildings because they were the standard industrial buildings of that time

I'm talking more about the layout of the site and not the building material. OKC now only has 4 urban blocks (all building fronting the sidewalk). Before 1940 they were all urban.

I thought Steve's article did a pretty good job calling out what I think has been a major point of difference between OKC and Tulsa for a long time. And the discrepancy in the levels of pride in our respective cities, at least in my experiences, was apparent in far more than just our differing qualities of architecture. This might seem like a lame example, but hear me out; when I went to college, kids from Tulsa would be proud to be from Tulsa and tout their city's alleged superiority, but kids from OKC didn't really want to talk about where they were from. Tulsa had things to do and had natural scenery and more culture. They were proud to be from such a place. The kids from OKC had the bombing. But OKC is starting to gain (the Thunder, God love them) and that has been instrumental in giving OKCitians something to be known for/proud of that isn't a terrorist bombing, idiotic laws, or the dust bowl. I think standards are being elevated in OKC, but we have a long, long way to go and I hope that our level of pride continues to rise as well.

Bricktown hotel development is unveiled | News OK (http://newsok.com/bricktown-hotel-development-is-unveiled/article/3755167)

They have to be joking with that site plan they showed. That is one big no-go. I have a hard time believing they actually presented that. They should be 100% ashamed and then laughed out of town (or at least to Edmond).

http://newsok.com/bricktown-hotel-development-is-unveiled/article/3755167

Approximate orientation of the hotel

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x378/KerryinJax/hotel1_zpsb01dd5fa.jpg

Plans Unveiled for Bricktown Staybridge Suites | OKC Central (http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2013/02/13/plans-unveiled-for-bricktown-staybridge-suites/)

Ugh. Does that have anything but EIFS on it? And does any design review committee have to sign off on it? Also, if the builder is the same Dr. Patel who bought land in Deep Deuce too, he's not demonstrating much interest in fitting in so far.

Read story about facade. Different Patel on Deep Deuce purchase

So let me ask Steve. I know you are a professional and all but did you burst out laughing when they unveiled that site plan? They probably would have had to escort me from the building (if I didn’t leave on my own first).

Read story about facade. Different Patel on Deep Deuce purchase

So it looks like they did not approve it...right I hope?

Doesn't that site have to take into account the future walking trail connecting Deep Deuce and the boathouse district? Not obvious that it does, though my recollection of the route may be off...

The developers in this city are so distasteful. This suburban s*** being built in Bricktown -- mainly Lower Bricktown -- is just an abomination. I love Bricktown and its tourism draw, but my goodness I strongly dislike the majority of the developers in the BT area. The potential for BT is unreal if someone would just raise the bar a little.

And while it's on my mind, a Westin and Hyatt would go great in BT.

I one look at the site plan and renderings and felt overwhelmingly disgusted. Now I need some Pepto Bismol.....:Smiley103

That rendering would look terrible even off of Memorial Road or 240, much less at the gateway of the state's premiere entertainment district. I hope the design committee plan on backing up their tough talk that was laid out in Steve's article.

That is.....wow.

Okay then.

That is.....wow.

Okay then.

Now that I had time to sleep on it...

http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/simon-cowell-awe.jpg

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/BlakeShock-460x260.gif

http://petcaregt.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/cat-shock.jpg

I hope this doesn't get built, even if it was all brick it still sucks.....wow...more and more I am losing interest in downtown OKC development because of developers like this....