Is this going to be similar to the Wedge?

I have been meaning to give the Wedge a try but have heard absolutely nothing about them (good or bad). Any thoughts?

I have been meaning to give the Wedge a try but have heard absolutely nothing about them (good or bad). Any thoughts?

I have been there several times and really enjoy it. My wife and I always get the Fresh Spinach Salad. It comes with pears, walnuts, asiago cheese and a vinaigrette dressing. You can then build your own pizza. The servers at the Bricktown location have always been very helpful in helping us decide what to put on it, what they like, what's popular, etc.

I love the Wedge. It's a different type of pizza, flavor-wise, than chain pizza, and I do know people who think it doesn't taste enough like "real pizza", chain pizza being all they're accustomed to. I just think of it as good food, personally. I really like the marinated mozzarella salad, and the port wine-sundried tomato sauce on pizza is excellent, IMO.

Not to be a downer but I recently drove through the development and I'm still underwhelmed. It is truly weird that the property opens inwardly, creating very little visual interest from Classen itself.

yes, this is very popular in other city's! and works very well! Tulsa has several examples!

Again folks, I haven't heard one person mention the fact that "none of us have seen Chesapeake's Master Development Plan" so we don't know how it will play into the big picture. Also as I posted in another thread, keep in mind they DO plan on remodeling Nichols Hills Plaza, and several of those tenants will need to relocate, so I'm sure we'll see them relocate to Classen Curve until Phase I of remodeling is done on NHP. Also if the highly rumored Whole Foods moves in on the Corner of Western and Grand, just adjacent from Classen Curve, this whole area will start making more sense. Who knows, Chesapeake may be trying to acquire that block of houses just south of Classen Curve and make some massive development, then the Classen Curve faces this massive mixed use development and the back of CC is facing the cemetary (logical). Just a scenario to think about.

Metro - Good points except it doesn't make sense to me that CC would be a temporary location for NHP tenants while the Plaza is renovated. 1) Aubrey wants top-tier, permanent tenants who want to stay in his new project, not part-timers who will disrupt the tenant mix. 2) Retail is such a location-intensive business, and no merchant wants his customers to chase them aound town. 3) There is enough existing vacancy at NHP for them to move tenants around within the property, and I'm certain that the leases allow for that. I'd sure like to see some plans presented to NH Planning Commission/City Council on Phase I - that's the next step in their moving forward.

OKCTalker, I'm not stating ALL PT tenants (which is part of the retail game anyways), heck the first 5 tenants are all local upscale restaurants and retailers. I'm just stating it buys time and gives room for a few relocations until we can build something on par for national tenants that will want to move their permanently.

Chesapeake may be trying to acquire that block of houses just south of Classen Curve and make some massive development, then the Classen Curve faces this massive mixed use development

If you check the County Assessor's site, it reveals CHK does not own any of the properties just south of Classen Curve, so I don't think there are any plans to expand that particular development in that direction.

You never know what could happen to the old Nichols Hills Plaza once redevelopment starts over there. Moving city hall and such...

This shows the approximate location of the old lake superimposed on what is currently there.

As you can see, that entire, awful strip center is what we now have instead of that nice body of water. And lame little office buildings where the plant once stood:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/misc/belleislenow2.jpg

I was really young but I remember the lake and power plant, although the plant had fallen into disrepair and had graffiti all over it. You could clearly see both driving on I-44. Speaking of graffiti, wasn't the old graffiti bridge somewhere near there as well?

where did this post come from... this is a nice picture of Belle Isle Station.... but is a ways away from Classen curve and Nichols Hills Plaza. And yes the graffiti bridge was close. It was over on Western at aprox. 60th and western.... pretty much where classen cuts across western now.

where did this post come from... this is a nice picture of Belle Isle Station.... but is a ways away from Classen curve and Nichols Hills Plaza. And yes the graffiti bridge was close. It was over on Western at aprox. 60th and western.... pretty much where classen cuts across western now.

Are you asking where the pic came from? The post was on Page 10 (post #248) of this thread if that helps any

The "bridge" was located just north of the office buildings next to where Flip's is located. It is now known as 59th Street. If you have Google Earth, it shows up on the 1990 map.

I have been meaning to give the Wedge a try but have heard absolutely nothing about them (good or bad). Any thoughts?

I highly recommend it. Great atmosphere and the most flavorful food I've had in awhile. All high quality ingredients.

I have been meaning to give the Wedge a try but have heard absolutely nothing about them (good or bad). Any thoughts?

Wedge is amazing! go there all the time!

Cafe 501 IS locating in Classen Curve, on the SE corner building. Their sign has a new logo, unlike the Edmond location, and just says 501 with a circle around it.

Interesting that CC will have a 501 and a 105...

Just posted on Facebook that Republic is about 30 days from opening.

Here's a video of construction progress:

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Balliet's sign went up today.

Where exactly will Balliet's be located?


Great get for CC; death knell for 50 Penn.

Looks like it's going in to the big flagship (two-story) building.

yep, and that building has some awesome pop out window displays.

To be honest I am disappointed, I drove by this weekend. I was really hoping the 2 story flagship store was going to be retail we don't have in OKC.

I think it's pretty cool-looking. I love all the 2nd story windows.

hey whoever is in the area soon can you take a pic of this 2 story retail space? Interested to see what it looks like.

To be honest I am disappointed, I drove by this weekend. I was really hoping the 2 story flagship store was going to be retail we don't have in OKC.

Yeah, it's pretty much a lateral move for the market to just move a store. It may even be a bad thing, as it all but kills another retail location.

Not surprising though. Chesapeake's real estate development plan seem to be all about lateral moves.

Don't know why you say that about Cheasapeake and the Curve. There are several new and unique operations there...particularly restaurants.

Cheasapeake is improving the area greatly and introducing new businesses and giving exciting new options for existing OKC businesses. Can't really criticize them.

Looks like it's going in to the big flagship (two-story) building.

I love that 2 story building. That's the best part of the development. It's surely big enough for more than just Balliet's, however, so you all can hold out hope for something else in there.

Balliet's at Classen Curve | Balliet's (http://www.balliets.com/balliets-at-classen-curve)

It is my understanding that the entire two-story building will be occupied by Balliet's.

Yes, from the Balliet's site it looks like they have that entire building.

Also says they will share a covered courtyard with Cafe 501 in the little building right next door.

I really like the way CC is shaping up. Hopefully, the economy will improve and they'll get some more retail tenants. Very tough time for anyone trying to lease retail space.

Well can we consider Balliet's our Miss Jackson's then?

As a young(ish) single guy, I know next to nothing about women's fashion. I do know, however, that Balliet's is a very highly regarded store, and a real OKC institution. I have zero problem with them occupying the high ground at Classen Curve. Hopefully it will draw more customers into their business. Maybe Mr. Ooleys could move next door for men's clothes. I would love to see more higher-end national stores in OKC, but I have to admit, the "keep it local" idea is gaining traction in my mind. A good mix in Classen Curve would make it a true destination.

Yeah Miss Jackson's is not really that big. If that whole building is for Balliets, then it will probably be around the same size and have nearly the same "institution" status. Good move for them and for Aubrey.

I also noticed the other day, it looked like some renovations in the building across from 105 Degrees. Anyone know what's going on there? Tuck?

As a young(ish) single guy, I know next to nothing about women's fashion. I do know, however, that Balliet's is a very highly regarded store, and a real OKC institution. I have zero problem with them occupying the high ground at Classen Curve. Hopefully it will draw more customers into their business. Maybe Mr. Ooleys could move next door for men's clothes. I would love to see more higher-end national stores in OKC, but I have to admit, the "keep it local" idea is gaining traction in my mind. A good mix in Classen Curve would make it a true destination.

Balliet's decision to go to move had as much to do with 50 Penn Place as it did Classen Curve. Mr. Ooley's (and other Penn Square tenants) have greater satisfaction due to high traffic and better management. Besides, Ooley's has a location next to an entrance, and reserved parking on the curb.

I wouldn't count on Mr. Ooley's moving to CC anytime soon.

I also noticed the other day, it looked like some renovations in the building across from 105 Degrees. Anyone know what's going on there? Tuck?

I don't think renovations are going on, we are using it for storage.

So, help me understand the placement of the various tenants:

M (entire building & 2nd floor): Balliets
L (entire building and shared covered courtyard): Cafe 501
D: Republic Gastropub
E: 105 Degrees

What about Upper Crust and the others?

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/misc/cc.jpg

I think it's G that is going to be the Red Coyote, which I believe is a running equipment store, perhaps shoes and clothing?

i was thinking upper crust is "a"

-M

Very tough time for anyone trying to lease retail space.

Yeah and I heard they're asking for $30/ft (I think Balliet's got a "special" deal though).

A local merchant I was talking with said he'd love to be in there, but they won't call him back. He runs a specialty food market and I'm guessing they want to bring in a chain...

Too bad, it would be a very cool place if they could fill it with independent specialty stores and boutiques. Campus Corner is the closest thing we have in the metro to a nice mixed shopping experience that doesn't feel like an errand or just another mall. The center piece to CC is still a parking lot, like most of our shopping centers, but it could maybe be different. It's probably too spread out though. I can actually see people driving from Balliet's to the other end. lol.

I'm thinking midtown could be our next chance for a more pedestrian based shopping area (crossing fingers), but we have yet to see anyone really try to do it in OKC.

I think buildings H, I, J & K will be particularly difficult to lease.

i was thinking upper crust is "a"

That would completely coincide with the reports that Upper Crust will be in a 4,100 square foot free-standing building.

I think buildings H, I, J & K will be particularly difficult to lease.

This has always been my biggest criticism of Classen Curve. There's a creepy factor being so close to the grave yard as it is. At least the Balliet's is way farrrrrrrrr on the east part lol.

I was hoping Anthropologie might consider going into "K", as I know they were concerned about the depth of the buildings and how that would fit in with their dressing rooms. But, I don't know now if they're planning to come to OKC at all.

And, yes "A" has the Upper Crust sign on it.

This has always been my biggest criticism of Classen Curve. There's a creepy factor being so close to the grave yard as it is. At least the Balliet's is way farrrrrrrrr on the east part lol.

I think I said this before, but people should just have fun with this. Ala "Pearl's Graveside". There's a great restaurant in Atlanta across from the graveyard that is called "Six Feet Under". It's absolutely packed everytime we go there.

I have no concern about the graveyard. I never even really notice or even think about it and I dont really see it keeping diners and shoppers away.
As I said before as well as a poster mentioned above, CC is not exactly pedestrian friendly, even though that seemed to be the goal. Very, very few people will be walking from Balliets to 105 Degrees. Its basically a fancy strip center and not a town quare type development. They should have taken a little more time and tried to buy a block or row of houses along the north side of the neighborhood that borders CC. This would have also helped with increasing the depth of the buildings, which would in turn help with attracting popular national tenants.

Pete:

Building A: Upper Crust Wood Fired Pizza
Building G: Red Coyote Running Store

betts, I know your big on anthropologie, and I imagine we'll get one when the right type of development is built. In the meantime, in Uptown on NW 23rd in the house west of Cuppies & Joe, that acupuncture shop went out and a new place, I think it's called something Flower? said they are going for an "Antropologie" type store.

Pete, H, I, J, and K are quite close to other substantial (albeit lower-end) retail in the area. Perhaps that will lead to a different level of tenant, but being within view of Old Navy, Chili's etc. will actually probably help those buildings.

Where would the rumored Whole Foods go according to this plan? Doesn't seem like there is room.

The rumored location for the rumored WF is on the NE corner of Classen and Grand. Just outside the boundaries of that plan graphic, and not within the formal boundaries of Classen Curve, at least as we know it today. At least, that's the rumor.

^ Yeah, "the rumor." :Smiley171

In light of the WF rumors, how does the Crescent Market fit in?

I'm guessing they fit in the Capitalist society we live in (although rapidly changing) and they will compete with WF in the event they move in nearby.

Whole Foods would put Crescent Market out of its misery. It has suffered a needless and pitiful decline under it current owner.

Where would the rumored Whole Foods go according to this plan? Doesn't seem like there is room.

You might want to check it out again. They are making room....and LOTS of it. Amazing what a track Hoe can do.

Whole Foods and Crescent Market are completely different animals. St. Louis, where I live, has Whole Foods and also supports at least a dozen Crescent Market-type stores.

Whole Foods is a destination grocery where people travel to get a large selection of a wide variety of hard to find items. Crescent Market is a convenient, somewhat upscale neighborhood place for those in Nichols Hills. Someone in Edmond or Quail Creek is not going to drive to Crescent Market to buy Cheerios. They may very well drive to a Whole Foods to buy organic foods, prepared foods, specialty meats, cheeses, etc.

It's two different audiences.

When my daughter was younger and at Ballet Oklahoma I would do my grocery shopping while she was in class. There were so many specialty stores on Western that I would hit 2-3 different stores to get different things. Kamp's for meat and cold cuts, Big Sky for bread and Cresent for vegetarian tamales and other regular grocery stuff. I imagine that a Whole Foods would proove to be synergistic in the same way. Kind of like how Walgreens and CVS tend to be across the street from each other.

I think I said this before, but people should just have fun with this. Ala "Pearl's Graveside". There's a great restaurant in Atlanta across from the graveyard that is called "Six Feet Under". It's absolutely packed everytime we go there.

Crypt
Undertakers
Tombstone
Dante's
Wake
Ash
Dust
Solace

along with many other possibilities

Where would the rumored Whole Foods go according to this plan? Doesn't seem like there is room.


we are not getting a whole foods. i have a good friend who is the director of marketing for WF and there is more talk of closing WF stores than opening new ones at this point. disappointing.

Where would the rumored Whole Foods go according to this plan? Doesn't seem like there is room.

my previous post didn't go through? maybe i'm doing something wrong..i'll try again

i have a good friend who is the director of marketing for whole foods. we are NOT getting a whole foods. whole foods is considering closing stores and not opening new ones at this point (due to the economy). disappointing.