I was just thinking this would be the perfect place for REI.

Their plans for that part of the center have been approved.

My bet is Glimcher is busy figuring out the master plan for CC, The Triangle, the vacant land to the north and NH Plaza.

Then, they will lease up the centers and develop the vacant space pretty quickly. They are developer/investors and operate REIT's, so they need to get things done, full and income flowing.

They also have dozens of big centers across the country and relationships with virtually every regional and national chain.

I would expect them to drop in something like REI and/or Crate & Barrel (just speculation) on the vacant parcels then fill in the rest with smaller tenants.

The make money off the smaller spaces, they need big anchors as a draw, so I'm sure they are working on getting that part done.

Vacant parcels as in the area between NH Plaza and Whole Foods or Classen Curve vacant parcels?

Meant the vacant land between the Triangle and NH Plaza.

I also think the land on the west side of Grand across from The Triangle can/will factor heavily into the plans. There is tremendous opportunity here for a pretty astounding mixed-use approach and for a first-rate, major-city shopping experience to appear in this area, which would include CC. This could be the magic bullet that fixes OKC's national upscale retailer deficit, and at the same time could serve as a model for quality lifestyle centers in OKC going forward. Not to put too much pressure on it, LOL.

I also think the land on the west side of Grand across from The Triangle can/will factor heavily into the plans. There is tremendous opportunity here for a pretty astounding mixed-use approach and for a first-rate, major-city shopping experience to appear in this area, which would include CC. This could be the magic bullet that fixes OKC's national upscale retailer deficit, and at the same time could serve as a model for quality lifestyle centers in OKC going forward. Not to put too much pressure on it, LOL.

In one of Aubrey's Town Hall Meetings, he said his original intent was to building housing on that spot to make the area more of a live/work/play location. At the time, it was just work and play. I wouldn't be surprised if something like the Lisbon Lofts went on that parcel.

I also think the land on the west side of Grand across from The Triangle can/will factor heavily into the plans. There is tremendous opportunity here for a pretty astounding mixed-use approach and for a first-rate, major-city shopping experience to appear in this area, which would include CC. This could be the magic bullet that fixes OKC's national upscale retailer deficit, and at the same time could serve as a model for quality lifestyle centers in OKC going forward. Not to put too much pressure on it, LOL.

I for one think Classen Curve is significantly underrated and has a ton of potential to be something special. Poor management has kept it from being what it could be. Hopefully the new owners really take it to new heights.

I for one think Classen Curve is significantly underrated and has a ton of potential to be something special. Poor management has kept it from being what it could be. Hopefully the new owners really take it to new heights.
Completely agree.

I for one think Classen Curve is significantly underrated and has a ton of potential to be something special. Poor management has kept it from being what it could be. Hopefully the new owners really take it to new heights.
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Found some listings on zillow today for new construction residential development titled "2x2" and/or "Side x Side"... just south of Classen Curve and north of Brookhaven. Several properties listed, county assessor lists "LaPlata LLC" (Home Page (http://www.laplatallc.com/)) as registered owner of a total of 9 properties all on NW 56th, NW 57th, and one on Military. Anybody have any other info or is there a thread already? Similar looks to the moderns in SOSA, but I think these are 2 residences per building, like a duplex.

"2x2 brings forth the very best Modern Oklahoma architecture offering innovative contemporary design elements in one of OKC's only walkable communities at the Classen Curve and Whole Foods."

1161 NW 57th St, Oklahoma City, OK 73118 is For Sale - Zillow (http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1161-NW-57th-St-Oklahoma-City-OK-73118/2106918188_zpid/)

Found some listings on zillow today for new construction residential development titled "2x2" and/or "Side x Side"... just south of Classen Curve and north of Brookhaven. Several properties listed, county assessor lists "LaPlata LLC" (Home Page (http://www.laplatallc.com/)) as registered owner of a total of 9 properties all on NW 56th, NW 57th, and one on Military. Anybody have any other info or is there a thread already? Similar looks to the moderns in SOSA, but I think these are 2 residences per building, like a duplex.

"2x2 brings forth the very best Modern Oklahoma architecture offering innovative contemporary design elements in one of OKC's only walkable communities at the Classen Curve and Whole Foods."

1161 NW 57th St, Oklahoma City, OK 73118 is For Sale - Zillow (http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1161-NW-57th-St-Oklahoma-City-OK-73118/2106918188_zpid/)

I like it. Nice infill for the area.

The Impeccable Pig coming to Classen Curve.

The Impeccable Pig (http://www.theimpeccablepig.com/)

https://twitter.com/ClassenCurve/status/495283890622582784

Just announced Aveda is coming as well.

aveda - official site - shop online or find a salon (http://www.aveda.com)


They are getting close to filling up Classen Curve; Glimcher has done a great job since buying this property.

Can't wait to see what they have in store for the vacant land north of Anthropologie / West Elm and for Nichols Hills Plaza.

Just announced Aveda is coming as well.

aveda - official site - shop online or find a salon (http://www.aveda.com)


They are getting close to filling up Classen Curve; Glimcher has done a great job since buying this property.

Can't wait to see what they have in store for the vacant land north of Anthropologie / West Elm and for Nichols Hills Plaza.

When do you think building on that property will happen? I would assume when they fill up the others unless there is a large tennant wanting space who won't fit in to CC or NHP.

I'm sure they are still working on securing some anchor tenants so they can finalize design plans for both the land and NH Plaza.

I'm really hoping they integrate an upscale theater and some other big draws.

I'm sure they are still working on securing some anchor tenants so they can finalize design plans for both the land and NH Plaza.

I'm really hoping they integrate an upscale theater and some other big draws.

Movie or live stage theater?

Movie.

Glimcher has used them in previous developments.

Given the revival of the Penn Square AMC a tradition movie place, even upscale may be tough to pull off.

An independent movie theatre i.e. Angelika Theatre type place would be a smashing success here.

iPic or something similar (as discussed in the Glimcher thread) would still be pretty different and unique to OKC.

Eh, indifferent to an upscale theater showing the standard blockbusters, but I'm sure it'll do well if they put one in. Rather see someplace showing art/indie/weird movies and classic old ones. We don't have much of that here. Saw tons of old flicks at Christmas time at the Tivoli in Downers Grove, IL (Classic Cinemas Movie Theatres, Digital Projection & Sound, Movie Parties (http://www.classiccinemas.com/Content.aspx?page=18)), at the Music Box in Chicago (Music Box Theatre - Chicago's year-round film festival (http://www.musicboxtheatre.com/)), and at the Paradise (yes, it was the Paradise Theater, not sure if Styx ever played there, though) in WI (Paradise Theatre in West Allis, WI - Cinema Treasures (http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2927)) and it's really nice seeing older films on something besides a small box in your living room. I know the OKCMOA theater plays art/indie/weird films, but they seem to only play them for a couple of days, not a week. Probably not anywhere close to a big enough audience for that kind of stuff, though, 'cos I remember being the only one in a Sat matinee many a time at the AMC on Penn/Memorial or any other theater showing anything slightly out of the ordinary when I lived here before, but maybe it's changed now...

Brianna Bailey's update.

Three new retailers coming to Classen Curve | News OK (http://newsok.com/three-new-retailers-coming-to-classen-curve/article/5135615)

Brianna's newest update.

http://www.oklahoman.com/article/5318808?embargo=1


Glimcher Realty Trust, the Ohio-based company that purchased the Nichols Hills Plaza, Classen Curve and Triangle at Classen Curve plans to develop 12 acres of vacant land that connects the shopping centers, but plans are still in flux with no firm timeline, a Glimcher executive said Tuesday.

Tamazul has closed. I hope the current owners of Classen Curve have better plans for that space!

Tamazul has closed. I hope the current owners of Classen Curve have better plans for that space!

That doesn't surprise me. I was there a few weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon and the place was completely dead. If a restaurant can't do good business Sunday afternoon it probably isn't long for the world. I am sure part of it wasn't the restaurant itself but that fact that entire side of Classen Curve is still pretty quiet.

That doesn't surprise me. I was there a few weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon and the place was completely dead. If a restaurant can't do good business Sunday afternoon it probably isn't long for the world. I am sure part of it wasn't the restaurant itself but that fact that entire side of Classen Curve is still pretty quiet.

Sunday afternoon what time? 2-5 is pretty much a completely dead time for restaurants all across the country. Even on Sundays.

I tried it once. It was good (not great, but good). However, the price was too high for me. If I'm going to spend on the upper end for a regular meal, I've got better choices on my list.

Sunday afternoon what time? 2-5 is pretty much a completely dead time for restaurants all across the country. Even on Sundays.

Probably around 12PM. There was a 50 minute wait at Cafe 501 so I went to Tamazul.

It had promise, but then they went for pure vegan haute Mexican cuisine.

Probably around 12PM. There was a 50 minute wait at Cafe 501 so I went to Tamazul.

That's fair. 12 PM generally is going pretty good just about everywhere.

It had promise, but then they went for pure vegan haute Mexican cuisine.

Didn't they serve meat dishes when they first opened? I went there once and I seem to think they had it.

Didn't they serve meat dishes when they first opened? I went there once and I seem to think they had it.

They did. I was especially excited to try their al pastor tacos (spit-grilled) which you can get at some of the better Mexican restuarants around town (Abel's specifically), but it was just sub-par in my opinion. I tried to give them a chance.... but a $15 lunch better be well worth it, and this was not.

They did. I was especially excited to try their al pastor tacos (spit-grilled) which you can get at some of the better Mexican restuarants around town (Abel's specifically), but it was just sub-par in my opinion. I tried to give them a chance.... but a $15 lunch better be well worth it, and this was not.

Ok, so I'm not crazy. So, we'll see if after two vegan restaurants failed here, if they try the concept again.

Mexican food has to have some heart and soul behind it. This had none of that. It was also very bland. I hate paying for chips and salsa to the point I might just close out and eat somewhere else. It's like an Italian food place charging for bread and butter. From the looks of it the vast majority of okc agrees.

Ok, so I'm not crazy. So, we'll see if after two vegan restaurants failed here, if they try the concept again.

Well, to be fair, his first concept wasn't specifically vegan, it was raw food.

Well, to be fair, his first concept wasn't specifically vegan, it was raw food.

Was Matthew Kenney vegan after 105 degrees? I'm trying to remember the different types of restaurants that were there.

Was Matthew Kenney vegan after 105 degrees? I'm trying to remember the different types of restaurants that were there.

It was. To make matters worse it was right in between two burger joints one of which is the best sports bar/pub in OKC. Vegan would do well in the plaza, midtown, or paseo not in Classen curve.

Was Matthew Kenney vegan after 105 degrees? I'm trying to remember the different types of restaurants that were there.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. So he did 105 first, then Matthew Kenney, then Tamazul w/ meat, then Tamazul w/out meat...

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. So he did 105 first, then Matthew Kenney, then Tamazul w/ meat, then Tamazul w/out meat...

I guess some people are just a glutton for punishment?

Here's what would do well there in this order

Steak
Seafood
Steak and seafood
More burgers and beer
Cigar lounge/bar-with sammiches

Here's what would do well there in this order

Steak
Seafood
Steak and seafood
More burgers and beer
Cigar lounge/bar-with sammiches[/QUOTE]


With Ruth's Chris coming in there's probably not a need for another streak/seafood restaurant. I think something along the lines of a more casual deli/grill would be great. As long as you can capitalize on both the lunch and dinner crowd. Maybe have live music a few nights a week out on their patio?

Here's what would do well there in this order

Steak
Seafood
Steak and seafood
More burgers and beer
Cigar lounge/bar-with sammiches


With Ruth's Chris coming in there's probably not a need for another streak/seafood restaurant. I think something along the lines of a more casual deli/grill would be great. As long as you can capitalize on both the lunch and dinner crowd. Maybe have live music a few nights a week out on their patio?[/QUOTE]

That would be cool. The area has a lot of potential as a weekend bar spot similar to the plaza on weekend nights.

It appears this space is already available for lease. There is an ad on Craigslist I saw today.

With Ruth's Chris coming in there's probably not a need for another streak/seafood restaurant. I think something along the lines of a more casual deli/grill would be great. As long as you can capitalize on both the lunch and dinner crowd. Maybe have live music a few nights a week out on their patio?

Is that still on? I hadn't heard anything on this front for awhile.

Is that still on? I hadn't heard anything on this front for awhile.

Glimcher (new owner) has clearly put any big deals on hold while they were being sold.

Not sure if Ruth's Chris is still planned but it wouldn't surprise me if they are just waiting so they can factor in the larger development to the north and their plans for NH Plaza.

I'll ask Glimcher and report back.

Went to the Classen Curve, NHP meeting yesterday. They could neither confirm nor deny that Trader Joe's is coming, mentioned if you hear rumors they might be true, but due to agreements in place, and "nosy reporters looking at permit applications" that they can't announce specifics until everything is official on leases (understandable). Also mentioned several other leases are in negotiations and possibly at least one of those a national tenant. One space mentioned was Red Coyote's old space, and I forget the other space being leased.

Also as was reported in the Zoe's Kitchen thread, their space next to West Elm is also well under way.

New landscaping improvements coming in the next 3 months.

Updated lease plan:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/classencurve051515.jpg

Updated lease plan:

So it looks like the Ruth's Chris is a dead issue at this location?

No, I wouldn't say it's necessarily dead.

That area has always been shown as future development.

OKC has so many good steak houses I don't think the city will be missing out on anything if Ruth's Chris never comes to the market. I would much rather eat at the George, Vast, Red Prime, Mickey Mantles, Mahogany, heck even Cattleman's. On the flipside, OKC has such a dearth of good seafood restaurants for a city its size I wonder why more national seafood chains aren't interested.

Pretty sure Del Frisco's is coming to Chisholm Creek as well. Absolutely tons of steakhouses right now.

OKC has so many good steak houses I don't think the city will be missing out on anything if Ruth's Chris never comes to the market. I would much rather eat at the George, Vast, Red Prime, Mickey Mantles, Mahogany, heck even Cattleman's. On the flipside, OKC has such a dearth of good seafood restaurants for a city its size I wonder why more national seafood chains aren't interested.

I'm with you, I'm surprised we don't have a McCormick and Schmicks on the way (not that it's the best).

Why go to a chain steakhouse, even as good as Ruth's Chris, when you have the fantastic local steakhouses? I agree with the need for more seafood, as that is about the only thing limited in the OKC restaurant scene (plus, maybe a good Jewish deli).

Pretty sure Del Frisco's is coming to Chisholm Creek as well. Absolutely tons of steakhouses right now.

That would be great. I rank Del Frisco up there with Mortons as far as consistent excellent service and meat and sides quality. When I was in Chicago a few weeks ago, I ate at the original Morton's again. Ended up leaving with the manager who had been there since it opened day one. He also owns a cigar shop and we went there to smoke a couple cigars and drink some scotch. He had some great stories of the different people coming in over the years and how Morton's had changed. Was a fantastic evening.

As per Brianna.

WHISKEY AND GEAR: Men's clothier on tap for Classen Curve | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/classy-mens-clothier-coming-to-classen-curve/article/5454871)

Red Coyote Running and Fitness Named 2015 Running Store of the Year - Competitor.com (http://running.competitor.com/2015/12/news/red-coyote-running-and-fitness-named-2015-running-store-of-the-year_140844)

Not everyone is pleased with some of the proposed new development.


By Dale Denwalt
The Journal Record

OKLAHOMA CITY – A neighbor of Classen Curve’s latest development has sued to put the project back in front of the City Council.

Robyn Assaf, an attorney who lives in the Glenbrook neighborhood near the Triangle at Classen Curve, is fighting against a commercial and residential planned unit development that will include several hundred apartments. The developer and the Oklahoma City didn’t perform the due diligence that is required, Assaf said.

In the lawsuit, Assaf claims the water, sewage and traffic infrastructure in the area cannot support adding the apartment complex, which will sit on a piece of land formerly owned by Chesapeake Energy Corp. Assaf said that when she brought up her concerns, the developers pointed to studies made when Chesapeake cleared the land.

“Studies made in regards to water flow and buildings being taken off the property are not relevant to studies required to provide information to what will transpire when buildings are put on the property,” Assaf said.

Assaf and her husband own four properties in the area, including their home. The other three parcels are duplexes, she said.

City Councilor Ed Shadid countered Assaf’s allegations, saying that the city has done its due diligence. While Shadid hasn’t seen the lawsuit and declined to comment on it, he remembers Assaf from the council meeting where the project was discussed.

Shadid said Assaf stormed out of the meeting before it was finished, and before city employees could allay her concerns. He said that the project meets requirements set in place by the city, and that there will be traffic studies to determine how the area responds to the development.

Assaf also criticized Shadid’s support of the plan.

“He wants 500 apartment units there because he wants people to ride the bus,” Assaf said. “He wants to not have enough parking because people should be encouraged to use public transport and not have cars to park.”

Shadid said that’s not accurate, although he mentioned a proposal to lower the speed limit along Grand Boulevard to discourage traffic and encourage pedestrian use of the area.

Columbus-based firm WP Glimcher is developing Classen Curve, hoping to add multi-family residences to the commercial lots already in place, such as Republic Gastropub and Whole Foods Market. Glimcher did not return several phone calls requesting comment. Oklahoma City declined to comment on the filing, and another defendant, Johnson and Associates, did not return phone calls requesting comment.

Assaf hasn’t yet asked the defendants to be served and hopes to speak with the developer before the lawsuit moves forward. She said she doesn’t want to kill the project, just make sure the rules are followed. The lawsuit, however, asks the judge to suspend any building permits issued by the city and construction by the developer.

“The regulations and codes are put in place to so we can expect uniformity and we can have assurances that due process is followed,” Assaf said.

Not everyone is pleased with some of the proposed new development.

This was posted in the Glimcher thread.

Its frustrating that a development like this that will be far above and beyond anything currently in OKC has the potential of being derailed because of NIMBYism. These are the kind of developments needed to bring OKC more in line with its peer cities and Glimcher in particular is the one I am the most excited about. Hopefully the lawsuit gets tossed out quickly.

Classen Curve seeks to evict Winter House | The Journal Record (http://journalrecord.com/2016/01/11/classen-curve-seeks-to-evict-winter-house-law/)

Classen Curve seeks to evict Winter House | The Journal Record (http://journalrecord.com/2016/01/11/classen-curve-seeks-to-evict-winter-house-law/)

Classen Curve seeks to evict Winter House

Shop owner says he's waiting for cleared checks

By: Dale Denwalt The Journal Record January 11, 2016

OKLAHOMA CITY – The property manager at Classen Curve has accused an interior design and home furnishing store of falling behind on rent.

In an entry and detainer lawsuit filed last week, attorneys for OKC Classen Curve LLC allege that Winter House Interiors owes more than $51,000 in back rent since Nov. 4 and is operating under a defaulted lease. Owner Steven Winters is also named as a defendant.

When reached Monday, Winters said the payments were sent to landlord Glimcher Properties and described the conflict as a rent dispute.

“I’m waiting for the bank right now to send us the cleared checks,” Winters said. “We’re just two rent checks off, and the thing is (Glimcher) never contacted me. I just got served with papers.”

A hearing is scheduled for Wednesday, and Winters said he hopes to have the problem settled by then. The business remains open.

Winters has been at Classen Curve since 2011. The leased space includes a 9,570-square-foot area that can be used by the company.

Glimcher Properties said it notified Winter House Interiors in November and December that if the past due rent was not paid, legal action would be taken. Base rent at the Classen Curve property is $13,557.50 per month, according to documents filed alongside the lawsuit.

Winters has been in business for 27 years in the Oklahoma City area and previously was at Northpark Mall. A subsidiary company, Carwin’s Shave Shop, has operated inside Winter House Interiors since 2007.

The landlord did not respond to a phone call requesting comment.

In the lawsuit, attorney Ellen Adams asked the Oklahoma County District Court to hand over possession of the property and said the landlord may seek legal action to recover the past due rent.

Classen Curve is a cluster of high-end retailers and restaurants that sprang up near the Chesapeake Energy campus, at N. Classen and NW Grand boulevards. The development continues to grow, with plans for a 500-unit apartment complex and commercial development. A property owner in the nearby Glenbrook neighborhood has challenged the city’s approval of the apartment development, but there has been no new court activity in the case since the property owner’s lawsuit was filed in November.

$1.42/sqft, is that good, bad, indifferent? I don't know anything about commercial rents... just wondering.

That's a fair amount of rent for that size and located all the way in the back of the complex.

They usually charge percentage of sales too.