The mortuary is more alive than Crossroads. Any comparison to Quail is ludicrous.

Been to Quail Springs lately? They're having huge problems with leasing, and aren't doing well financially. If you haven't noticed, a lot of the national retailers have started pulling out of Quail (the Abercrombie chain for instance, and The Limited might be next), because their same stores at Penn Square make more than double the amount. So, they've filled the empty space with lots of temporary tenants, and it's beginning to look a lot like Crossroads in its later days. I'm not saying Quail is going to die, because the demographics around it will keep it from completely going down, but right now things aren't looking rosey at Quail.

Yeah, where have you been lately? Back in the late 80's, early 90's, it was empty and actually had the south end closed off, but the mall has actually made a revival in recent years, and is doing pretty well. Not 100% occupancy, but I'd be willing to bet well over 75% occupancy.

Absolutely. I think a big part of the perception is because many of the stores are locally owned boutique-type places. Everyone says we want locally owned retail - but if many don't see the logos they recognize - it's "dead."

Absolutely. I think a big part of the perception is because many of the stores are locally owned boutique-type places. Everyone says we want locally owned retail - but if many don't see the logos they recognize - it's "dead."

Yeah... if it's in a mall. Mall's are not places for local stores to develop an identity and base. Local stores should attempt to locate in places that, well, feel more local. Indoor malls were invented for the generic, national brands.

Everyone says we want locally owned retail - but if many don't see the logos they recognize - it's "dead."

I don't think many here say that at all. There has been a good push to eat locally that is catching on, but most people get more excited by national retailers for sure. I bet there are a lot of people here that literally never shop at a local retailer and only lament that we don't have stores every other city has.

Yeah... if it's in a mall. Mall's are not places for local stores to develop an identity and base. Local stores should attempt to locate in places that, well, feel more local. Indoor malls were invented for the generic, national brands.

Well, I guess Northpark has gone against all odds then, because it's always been made up of mostly local upscale boutique stores.

Yeah, where have you been lately? Back in the late 80's, early 90's, it was empty and actually had the south end closed off, but the mall has actually made a revival in recent years, and is doing pretty well. Not 100% occupancy, but I'd be willing to bet well over 75% occupancy.

Good to hear things have turned 180 degrees around from the last time I was their in the late 80's, when it almost all the store had either closed or felt on the verge of closing.

Well, I guess Northpark has gone against all odds then, because it's always been made up of mostly local upscale boutique stores.
Even the "chain stores" that it had for the most part were locally owned franchises. The Benetton store there in the 80's was owned by a local and a franchise location.

And right now you could basically say that stores like Shoe Gallery, Genos Furs, Jerome's, and the cinema are the mall's anchors.

Patrick, for not liking Northpark and Classen Curve, you sure do spend lots of time talking about it.

Patrick, for not liking Northpark and Classen Curve, you sure do spend lots of time talking about it.

Agreed. Gets old.


Moving on... Any rumors on other businesses moving into CC?

What is going in next to the Anthropology?

I think others have indicated that it is supposed to be a bank...

i think its a bank because its a big building

The "drive-through" is gone and replaced by a giant tripod of beams the purpose of which is a mystery to me. Almost half of the building is glass. I don't think it's a bank, but it doesn't really look like an office building either. I'm not sure what it's going to be.

Are there any new stores/restaurants moving into Classen Curve (not counting the Triangle)? It seems like it's been a while since any tenants have been announced...

Are there any new stores/restaurants moving into Classen Curve (not counting the Triangle)? It seems like it's been a while since any tenants have been announced...

Black Optical, Shave Shop, Winter House interiors recently moved in, and I think I'm missing one other.

Yeah. I knew those, but they were announced a while ago and have all been moved in and open for a while. Just seems like the first time there are no rumors, pending announcements, or anything else...

Plans submitted to planning commission for expansion of CC:

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looks like the last hold out sold .... good to see the plans for the 2 new buildings .. that will really open up and connect CC and solve the future parking problem ..

Looks like those new buildings have a little more depth, should help attract some better tenants.

It always seemed logical they would expand to make it more of a "square". I think it will help make it feel more like an outdoor mall.

Drove by Anthropologie tonight and a sign is up and they were working on the inside. It looked very good...

What's new these days in Classen Curve? I know that cupcake place off Western was supposed to open recently, but has anything else opened recently, or is anything slated right now?

tomorrows city council meeting has the action to close the streets which will allow the expantion of CC to start ..

i'm sure it will just be the extra parking first but those 2 buildings can't be far behind

Looks like CHK will be adding more restaurants to CC...

Request before the planning commission to change their Planned Unit Development zoning that limited them to 3 total restaurants to an unlimited number.

I suspect they are talking with someone to add a new eating establishment as their retail leasing seems to have stalled.

What street were they trying to close? 58th?

Pete - Parking is already so tight that I prefer going elsewhere. I don't consider any of the current restaurants to be a vital destination business. Why would CC/CHK Land or a restauraneur think that one more restaurant is a good idea? Second, what do you think is behind the demand plateau there at CC/Triangle?

Pete - Parking is already so tight that I prefer going elsewhere. I don't consider any of the current restaurants to be a vital destination business. Why would CC/CHK Land or a restauraneur think that one more restaurant is a good idea? Second, what do you think is behind the demand plateau there at CC/Triangle?

Really? at its peak times your walking the equivalent of half a block. Only in Oklahoma.......

Color me stumped. Why would retail stall at an upscale retail center? It's not like OKC is flooded with nicer retail. Maybe this isn't as upscale as it was pitched?

Color me stumped. Why would retail stall at an upscale retail center? It's not like OKC is flooded with nicer retail. Maybe this isn't as upscale as it was pitched?

Sure it's upscale, but it's poorly designed. A long, snaking center with no depth isn't ideal for landing certain types of tenants.

Pete - Parking is already so tight that I prefer going elsewhere. I don't consider any of the current restaurants to be a vital destination business. Why would CC/CHK Land or a restauraneur think that one more restaurant is a good idea? Second, what do you think is behind the demand plateau there at CC/Triangle?

Uh, Republic burgers are the best in OKC. And the best I've ever had anywhere! That is vital! ;)

Color me stumped. Why would retail stall at an upscale retail center? It's not like OKC is flooded with nicer retail. Maybe this isn't as upscale as it was pitched?

It's only been LOCAL, upscale retail thus far in CC (not counting Triangle). I'm sure they could get plenty of nationals in if they wanted.

Where is this "modern micro community" that is being separately developed in relation to the two new buildings?

Spent the evening at Republic watching the Thunder game! It was awesome! I overheard some visitors from another state who were very impressed with the area.

Where is this "modern micro community" that is being separately developed in relation to the two new buildings?

It's being developed on an empty parcel in the Meadowbrook Acres neighborhood.

http://www.homes.com/listing/photo/144694133/1133_Nw_56th_Street_OKLAHOMA_CITY_OK_73118

Pics inside the new Anthropologie, opening Friday apparently: http://blog.newsok.com/retail-business/2012/01/25/anthropologie-a-sneak-peak-at-the-new-oklahoma-city-store/

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Nice shots, Cooper.

http://newsok.com/anthropologie-prepares-for-grand-opening-in-oklahoma-citys-classen-curve/article/3643433

I went to the pre-grand-opening event Thursday. Crazy crowded! I'm very excited to have my favorite store here in OKC and hope that it shows more companies that we WILL support upscale retailers.

Nice shots, Cooper.

Thanks, Poe.

Anyone notice the lack of window frontage at Anthropologie? Is that the store's conceit or yet another monumental failure of design for the Classen Curve abortion?

Their idea. The whole front was supposed to be a window and they requested less. That was one of the reasons they didn't go into Classen Curve. They put so much emphasis on their windows they felt that much window would be overwhelming for their Visual Manager. I think the store looks good.

the Classen Curve abortion?

Wow. I would have set up Classen Curve differently (more walkable), but there are some excellent qualities also. People on this board really are ridiculous if everything isn't exactly the way they want it.

People on this board really are ridiculous if everything isn't exactly the way they want it.

A FEW people can be characterized this way SOME of the time about SOME things.


Can you see the irony of using hyperbole to renounce hyperbole?? :tongue:

Most of the stores that I have seen have very little open glazing. The store that went into the former Rheul space in The Domain has about 16 or so feet of glazing behind a clay tile block facade.

Per Pete's request, I snapped pics this morning of the "mystery" building just west of Anthropologie. After getting up close to it, I realized that it should have plenty of frontage windows, but that they are covered up by black plywood, thus making the building look like it is almost all brick/stone which was suspected because the rumored tenant was a bank (which would make sense for lack of windows). Now I suspect we may see 2-3 retailers go in this space. I asked the construction guys working on it if they knew and they said they had no, idea, and to call the leasing office if even they knew.

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Thanks metro!!

Even though that building is pretty big, there is very little parking in front of it.

Still have no idea who/what is going in there.

Thanks metro!!

Even though that building is pretty big, there is very little parking in front of it.

That's becoming another trademark of Chesapeake retail properties.

Pete, welcome. There is more parking than it looks, but still not a ton. I personally think its refreshing compared to elsewhere in OKC where there is sea of parking. Utica Square in Tulsa is similar in that not much curbside parking, but has one or two open areas of more parking in the entire development.

Interesting. Sure doesn't look like Oklahoma City in my opinion.

I wonder if they will put some picnic tables under that steel room looking thing. Might be a cool place for a trendy bistro type.

Pete, welcome. There is more parking than it looks, but still not a ton. I personally think its refreshing compared to elsewhere in OKC where there is sea of parking. Utica Square in Tulsa is similar in that not much curbside parking, but has one or two open areas of more parking in the entire development.

I also think once the landscaping matures and the trees have a season or two of growth this shopping area will be even more impressive. We all know that CHK goes all out on their landscaping efforts and upkeep.

Could it be the next Pops location?

Pops would be cool but I am not sure it is upscale enough for that area.

Maybe they could sell really upscale soda that costs 5 bucks a bottle?

Not to mention, the original POPS would loose its appeal and many metro drivers would no longer make the trek to Arcadia.

Could it be the next Pops location?

100% sure this isn't happening.

100% sure this isn't happening.

At least we know you know.

tuck, have you heard if there will be another restaurant in that new building in the Triangle?

Or how about another one for Classen Curve? I know CHK just changed the zoning to allow for more restaurants.

I don't think they have solid plans for the Triangle tenant, but have tons of interest. I've heard that the additional Curve tenant should be official soon.