Andrew Rice, the democrat running for Congress against Jim Inhofe spoke at CAIR's first banquet last year. He praised their work.

No Oklahoma would have known about it except those that diligently look for articles on Islamic activities in Oklahoma over in the Middle East.

Thank you for your endorsement of Mr. Rice.

In 2002, Dr. Don Betz said (http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/pressrels/2002/gapal887.html): "... the events of 11 September 2001 and the subsequent United States-led war on international terrorism propelled the question of Palestine onto centre stage of popular discussion. The broader public, especially in the United States, had started to ask questions about the occupation of Palestine..."

Did you know that Palestine is not mentioned once in the Quran? The children of Israel and their land is mentioned in both the Bible and the Quran.

Seriously, I do not see where they are coming from because there is no historic reference to Palestine whatsoever in the oldest books known.

Israel, on the other hand, was occupied several times in history, including the Islamic Ottoman caliphate.

In 2002, Dr. Don Betz said (http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/pressrels/2002/gapal887.html): "... the events of 11 September 2001 and the subsequent United States-led war on international terrorism propelled the question of Palestine onto centre stage of popular discussion. The broader public, especially in the United States, had started to ask questions about the occupation of Palestine..."

Did you know that Palestine is not mentioned once in the Quran? The children of Israel and their land is mentioned in both the Bible and the Quran.

Seriously, I do not see where they are coming from because there is no historic reference to Palestine whatsoever in the oldest books known.

Israel, on the other hand, was occupied several times in history, including the Islamic Ottoman caliphate.

And your point is. . . . .?

.oO(to see himself type apparently)Oo.

There is no historic reference to England whatsoever in the oldest books known.
There is no historic reference to Japan whatsoever in the oldest books known.
There is no historic reference to The United States of America whatsoever in the oldest books known.

Does this mean that they have no right to exist or that you would offer no objection were they to be occupied?

There is no historic reference to England whatsoever in the oldest books known.
There is no historic reference to Japan whatsoever in the oldest books known.
There is no historic reference to The United States of America whatsoever in the oldest books known.

Does this mean that they have no right to exist or that you would offer no objection were they to be occupied?

I guess his argument is Israel rightfully should have that land because Isreal is in the Bible? The 2000 years since don't matter. With that logic, we should get back to Europe and quit occupying North America?

So you are comparing references to Israel in the Bible to the creation of countries that were not around then? Sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever.

I see that Andrew Rice, who praised the Council of American Islamic Relations, like Dr. Don Betz did, has a news ad seeking to gain the support from the Christian right. He should have though of that before he stood along side CAIR, who is linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, identified in court papers. CAIR has not denied this relationship.

Right now CAIR has an action alert seeking the freedom of Sami Al-Arian, a convicted terror supporter. They claim he is a political prisoner of the U.S. Al-Arian along with Mousa Marzook, started the Hamas front group, Islamic Association of Palestine. Marzook is the deputy political director of HAMAS.

Any inteliigent questions?

Does he think we don't pay attention?

Actually, I was pointing out that YOU were comparing Israel with a nation that wasn't around then, i.e. Palestine. And you are right; it makes no sense whatsoever. That is my point.

Actually, I was pointing out that YOU were comparing Israel with a nation that wasn't around then, i.e. Palestine. And you are right; it makes no sense whatsoever. That is my point.

Does it mean anything to you that Israel is mentioned in both the Bible and the Quran? Or that Jerusalem is mentioned over 600 times in the Bible and never in the Quran.

The only Muslim claim to this land is because of Islamic invasions which is well-documented.

The claim of Israel to this land is also based on invasion, which is well documented in the book of Joshua. It is interesting that this invasion includes stories of repeated genocide inflicted on the cities in the hill country of Judea, and the Joshua stories not only tell of genocide but seem to brag about it. So I guess the answer to your question is that it means absolutely nothing that Israel is mentioned in the bible except as a cautionary tale about how NOT to treat a conquered people. It would be tragic indeed to use old testament standards when formulating a foreign policy for the 21st century.