I have been there many times. A few of my interns were rowers. The inside of the buildings are first class. It is just the interaction of the buildings/concrete/rocks with the river. The river feels like a drainage ditch that is ecoli filled. The city could be better at resolving that issue. Plants would act as a buffer for the waves and clean the water making it clearer and less contaminated. Also softening the transition from river to paths would make it safer to bike. I have biked it many times and felt if I hit a bump, I would sent into the rocky embankment and then into the ecoli filled river to my death!

Wow, that's a little extreme, don't you think? I understand some of your concerns, however, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree, particularly on this:


COLD and Sterile! It continues the sterile look of boathouse row that Devon's boathouse started. Lets see how sterile and cold we can make a river feel. Lets keep a river looking like a sewage canal with white buildings. Great idea! Just don't go in the water! Heaven forbid we have warm and inviting places on the river with plants that clean the water!

I disagree. I don't think it is cold and sterile at all. To me it looks more "olympic" and sporty. I personaly like that. I too have been to the river many times, and I think it is great. Then again, I remember what it looked like in the 80's and 90's, so maybe my view is skewed a little bit by having seen it when it really did look like a drainage ditch. I talk to alot of tourists who are amazed by the river, and alot of locals who also remember what it used to look like. As far as putting plants on the river, if we are talking about big trees lining the waters, you can count me out on that one. I would love to see some trees here and there, but no more dense than the south end of the canal. A huge amount of trees would ruin the sporty feel and look of the area. I don't want Boathouse Row to feel like the Amazon River. Trees lining the waters would be fine in other areas of the river, but not around the boathouses. And if we are talking about a more random contengient of plants, shrubs and trees extending from the shore INTO the water (which is kind of what it sounds like you are proposing), count me out of that as well. If i go down to the river I want it to feel like an olympic training site (which it is) not Lake Tenkiller (which it is not).

With that said, that is just my opinion, and I'm sure MANY will disagree. That is fine.

I love the architecture of all the boathouses. It's a wonderful change of pace for OKC.

Of everything else we have going in OKC, Boathouse Row will most likely be the one area / attraction that makes us stand out the most.

There are very few rowing venues that compare and there wouldn't be any once the grandstand and other improvements are complete.

And I like the bold rather than safe move in the architecture and overall design. If you think about it, 98% of everything we even aspire to in OKC has already been done in other cities and usually much bigger & better. This could be our one unique signature and for that reason we should do all we can to make it stand out.

Just wait until the whole river is lit up with Devon Tower and it's LED show in the background... From that vantage point people will have their socks knocked off.

I absolutely love the design and idea of adding this to the Boathouse District. I truly hope some local businesses will donate rapidly seeing the potential of this project and the district as a whole.

The one thing I really would like to see more of is trees on the north side of the river. While there doesn't need to be trees along the water for obvious reasons, I would like to see a lot of trees between the parking lots and the streets and all along Lincoln.

The core public areas seem to be taking on a distinct design flavor with Boathouse Row, Myriad Gardens, pedestrian bridge, downtown signage, etc. It is a modern industrial look with lots of white metal and exposed pipes and beams. Look at the band-shell in MG, the proposed pavilion, the pedestrian bridge, and the general modern feel of sleek metal and glass structures. That, with the commitment to colored artistic lighting and we are definitely developing a great new identity...very distinct from other cities.

The one thing I really would like to see more of is trees on the north side of the river. While there doesn't need to be trees along the water for obvious reasons, I would like to see a lot of trees between the parking lots and the streets and all along Lincoln.

Agreed, that was kind of what I was trying to say.


The core public areas seem to be taking on a distinct design flavor with Boathouse Row, Myriad Gardens, pedestrian bridge, downtown signage, etc. It is a modern industrial look with lots of white metal and exposed pipes and beams. Look at the band-shell in MG, the proposed pavilion, the pedestrian bridge, and the general modern feel of sleek metal and glass structures. That, with the commitment to colored artistic lighting and we are definitely developing a great new identity...very distinct from other cities.

Agree with this as well, there does seem to be a certain consistancey, particularly with the lighting you mentioned. I think it's great, and I think this new project fits right in with the growing identity of the city.

Wow, that's a little extreme, don't you think? I understand some of your concerns, however, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree, particularly on this:



I disagree. I don't think it is cold and sterile at all. To me it looks more "olympic" and sporty. I personaly like that. I too have been to the river many times, and I think it is great. Then again, I remember what it looked like in the 80's and 90's, so maybe my view is skewed a little bit by having seen it when it really did look like a drainage ditch. I talk to alot of tourists who are amazed by the river, and alot of locals who also remember what it used to look like. As far as putting plants on the river, if we are talking about big trees lining the waters, you can count me out on that one. I would love to see some trees here and there, but no more dense than the south end of the canal. A huge amount of trees would ruin the sporty feel and look of the area. I don't want Boathouse Row to feel like the Amazon River. Trees lining the waters would be fine in other areas of the river, but not around the boathouses. And if we are talking about a more random contengient of plants, shrubs and trees extending from the shore INTO the water (which is kind of what it sounds like you are proposing), count me out of that as well. If i go down to the river I want it to feel like an olympic training site (which it is) not Lake Tenkiller (which it is not).

With that said, that is just my opinion, and I'm sure MANY will disagree. That is fine.

I don't think I mentioned trees anywhere in my post. I said plants. AKA grass! Grass can hold the soil better than trees. The channelized streams throughout OKC is just as big a problem as the Stockyards manure pile. There have been studies that show the runnoff from yards contributes to the ecoli problem as well. Pets' feces is just as bad as the cow manure. The channelized creeks just speed up the ecoli into the river and don't allow the natural winding creeks with trees and plants (grasses and other low growing plants) to clean the water.

Back to the river, trees would be great along the river, but grass touching the river would be a great start. Plus it would make it more friendly to people. The rocks are a barrier an unsafe barrier. Look at Lake Hefner. The water attracts people. I am not saying get rid of all the rocks, but a plan or design to make the river more natural would be a better long term tourist (people in OKC) destination than the sterile play pavillion. Having a cleaner safer river is more import to me than the pavillion. Sorry, if I enjoy the natural environment more than the sterile concrete landscape you desire.

Well first off, how do you think you're going to keep the grass happy? The water level fluctuates because, oh yea, it's a flood control device. So pull the water level down and the types of grass that do live off river water would die very quickly. Secondly, if you've ever had any sort of environmental science education, you'd know a few things to add to that arguement. 1 - straight line walls are terrible for marine life because they remove habitat. So if they city doesn't want fish there, it's better to keep the smooth edge. 2 - rough surfaces serve as habitats and wave breaks. When was the last time you saw a wave...not a ripple there too? The point for that one goes back to water level. This thing is NOT a river. It's a plugged up creek. People complain about it being the exact same way it has been for years and years because IT'S A FLOOD CONTROL DEVICE! You only notice it now because they plugged it to keep water it on a normal basis. It's #1 job is to channel all that crap for us...remember the "river" didn't even used to go where it is now either...we moved it when we made it mowable. There is absolutely nothing natural about the thing....had it been built 30 years later, chances are it would have been concrete lined!

The poo incident from the stockyards was caused by a company there not properly handling their runnoff. That sort of thing happens with any water source like this. Check out river polution near any industrial site. The company was fined and the problem was corrected. Yes, it still pulls runoff from yards to creeks, to the river and all sorts of other crap. But the water is not unsafe to be in. I wouldn't drink it, but i wouldn't recommend drinking any unfiltered water.

To be, it sounds like you're just trying to rant to throw a wet blanket on something the entire rest of the city seems to be onboard with. Let's leave the landscaping and the science of it all to the professionals who know far more than either you or I. Ands ince your name is LAsomeday....you should be happy we don't have the LA river here....cause that worked out so well for aesthetics...huh.

Two options being considered by the MAPS 3 committee:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/whitewater1a.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/whitewater2.jpg

i will be very interested to hear this debate ...

either way .. they need to build the best course they can .. even if it means spending the 700k to move the sewer line ..

Horrible location! There are so many better places to put it on the river. I don't see why we have to squish it all into one area.

MORE POOR PLANNING BY THE CITY AND MAPS!

hopefully this will promote apartments to be built near the area to house training Olympic athletes:

http://riversportokc.org/files/121311-USA-Canoe-Kayak-relocates-headquarters-in-OKC.pdf

Horrible location! There are so many better places to put it on the river. I don't see why we have to squish it all into one area.

MORE POOR PLANNING BY THE CITY AND MAPS!

This location has been shown on here quite some time ago... When are you finally leaving for LA?!

it is a great location ... what would be great in the future is if they would build a mix use apt building with boat house foundation/canoe/kayak/ headquarters on the bottom floor .. as well as a parking garage .. and maybe a future hotel ..

Horrible location! There are so many better places to put it on the river. I don't see why we have to squish it all into one area.

MORE POOR PLANNING BY THE CITY AND MAPS!

Critical Mass! Once the American Indian Museum opens, that small stretch of the river will be a true world class destination.

it is a great location ... what would be great in the future is if they would build a mix use apt building with boat house foundation/canoe/kayak/ headquarters on the bottom floor .. as well as a parking garage .. and maybe a future hotel ..

+1

Horrible location! There are so many better places to put it on the river. I don't see why we have to squish it all into one area.

MORE POOR PLANNING BY THE CITY AND MAPS!

Absolutely NOT. This facility will coincide with the boathouse district more than just functionally. It will add to the visual impression from interstate travellers as well. A lot of good publicity will come from this location from the casual passer by.....from both east/west & north/south routes.

it is a great location ... what would be great in the future is if they would build a mix use apt building with boat house foundation/canoe/kayak/ headquarters on the bottom floor .. as well as a parking garage .. and maybe a future hotel ..

Apartments would be good but their is already enough office space in Devon, Chesapeake and the future UCO boathouse that they will not need much more (though in everything after Chesapeake's has been on the second floors for logistic reasons). In one of the earlier MAPS3 meetings they had a hotel proposed on the southwest corner of the whitewater site, but I did not hear any details on who would be building & running it, a likely timetable for construction or how likely that was to happen.

hopefully this will promote apartments to be built near the area to house training Olympic athletes:

http://riversportokc.org/files/121311-USA-Canoe-Kayak-relocates-headquarters-in-OKC.pdf

"USA Canoe/Kayak, the national governing body (NGB) for the Olympic sports of flatwater sprint and whitewater slalom and a member of the United States Olympic Committee, announced today the relocation of its headquarters to the city of Oklahoma City." Where are they moving from?

Charlotte, NC

Charlotte, NC

That's funny since we're stealing their ideas for the kayak course... which were cited as a reason for moving here.

"USA Canoe/Kayak, the national governing body (NGB) for the Olympic sports of flatwater sprint and whitewater slalom and a member of the United States Olympic Committee, announced today the relocation of its headquarters to the city of Oklahoma City." Where are they moving from?

Just another reason that this location is primo for the kayak/whitewater course. They will function along with the boathouse foundation.

Relocation of USA Canoe/Kayak to Oklahoma City expected to attract attention to Oklahoma River development (http://newsok.com/relocation-of-usa-canoekayak-to-oklahoma-city-expected-to-attract-attention-to-oklahoma-river-development/article/3631815#ixzz1gU9t5gBV)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hifRKqLX5j8&feature=g-all

lasomeday, maybe you can enlighten us to a more suitable location rather than right next to the currently under construction rowing facilities? Since you know better than everyone involved about every aspect of it and all.

lasomeday, maybe you can enlighten us to a more suitable location rather than right next to the currently under construction rowing facilities? Since you know better than everyone involved about every aspect of it and all.

Don't encourage it!

USA Canoe/Kayak will office with the Oklahoma City Boathouse Foundation, allowing the two organizations to collaborate and build on the inherent synergy of shared values and objectives.

"...will office"?? How does that make it past editors and into a published newspaper? I guess traditional media is not superior. ; )

Sorry. Pet peeve.

If watched the video, it's 'paddle' boating, not just kayaking. They'll use the river quite alot also.

"...will office"?? How does that make it past editors and into a published newspaper? I guess traditional media is not superior. ; )

Sorry. Pet peeve.

Would you prefer it to say, "will share offices"?

im with you. i think the designs are ugly except the chesapeke boathouse. these buildings will not age well at all, and that's a fact. still glad to have this area, tho.



COLD and Sterile! It continues the sterile look of boathouse row that Devon's boathouse started. Lets see how sterile and cold we can make a river feel. Lets keep a river looking like a sewage canal with white buildings. Great idea! Just don't go in the water! Heaven forbid we have warm and inviting places on the river with plants that clean the water!

Would you prefer it to say, "will share offices"?

At least that wouldn't be using office as a verb. But, it's lunch time now, so I am going to sandwich.

At least that wouldn't be using office as a verb. But, it's lunch time now, so I am going to sandwich.

Bring me one too.

Bring me one too.

Cool. We can both sandwich or maybe we should pizza.

At least that wouldn't be using office as a verb. But, it's lunch time now, so I am going to sandwich.

LMAO, that's a good one!

Cool. We can both sandwich or maybe we should pizza.

Don't sandwhich, unless you have Brian Bates filming you.

Cool. We can both sandwich or maybe we should pizza.

You can decide since you're buying. =)

Don't sandwhich, unless you have Brian Bates filming you.

Ha. I guess that IS a verb. Whoops!

Ha. I guess that IS a verb. Whoops!

;-)

From the Charlotte observer http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/12/14/2848862/olympic-body-leaving-charlotte.html

From the Charlotte observer http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/12/14/2848862/olympic-body-leaving-charlotte.html

A snippet of one of the comments from that article from an athlete who moved to Charlotte because of their training center:

"I have visited the boathouse in Oklahoma City. They get it...in spades. They already are an Olympic Training Center for rowing and flatwater kayaking, and an impressive on at that. My hope is the US Olympic Committee awards what is deserved by designating Oklahoma City as the US Olympic Canoe Slalom Training Center and strips this designation from this squandered and floundering facility in our back yard."

He says that Charlotte's whitewater facility ended up being more of an amusement park than a training center.

Kind of a snarky article.

Kind of a snarky article.

That's what I took from it as well.

It did answer a question brought up either in this thread or the other one, but looks like there will only be 2-3 staff members that work at the HQ.

Kind of a snarky article.

There is some sour grapes there, but overall the net result is positive for Oklahoma City. However, I do think there are some notes of caution that should be noted. 1) Sounds like running such a facility can be financially treacherous and 2) these guys have not been very loyal to their two previous locations.

... Sounds like running such a facility can be financially treacherous ...

We have one big advantage they did not, their will be no dept on ours, they had 38 billion they had to pay off. While their facility made enough to pay for operations it did not make enough to manage their debt.

We also do not have competition from natural whitewater rivers in easy driving distance, though with that we should have less people with a history/interest in whitewater rafting and kayaking so hard to say if that is good, bad or a wash.

I don't think our future whitewater course will ever be able to out do nature, but if the pros can make a definable course then our Central U.S. location should be a plus. I do hope, though, that we remain the headquarters for more than 5 years!

they had 38 billion they had to pay off.

Billion? WOW that must be some whitewater course. LOL

I know what you meant, Snowman. I just couldn't resist.

I don't think our future whitewater course will ever be able to out do nature, but if the pros can make a definable course then our Central U.S. location should be a plus. I do hope, though, that we remain the headquarters for more than 5 years!

No whitewater course can outdo nature but no Olympics are held on natural courses. They have specific required elements that can only be on manmade courses.

I don't think our future whitewater course will ever be able to out do nature, but if the pros can make a definable course then our Central U.S. location should be a plus. I do hope, though, that we remain the headquarters for more than 5 years!
Well, maybe it can outdo SOME natural rapids. Just not the BEST ones. I think we are just trying to be the best man made course.

No whitewater course can outdo nature but no Olympics are held on natural courses. They have specific required elements that can only be on manmade courses.


Well, maybe it can outdo SOME natural rapids. Just not the BEST ones. I think we are just trying to be the best man made course.

Either way, I think the best factor is our central location.

The best factor is the synergy of all the venues as well as the quality of the training facilities and the costs to come and stay here for training and events. Since most population is east and west coasts then central isn't always best.

Well first off, how do you think you're going to keep the grass happy? The water level fluctuates because, oh yea, it's a flood control device. So pull the water level down and the types of grass that do live off river water would die very quickly. Secondly, if you've ever had any sort of environmental science education, you'd know a few things to add to that arguement. 1 - straight line walls are terrible for marine life because they remove habitat. So if they city doesn't want fish there, it's better to keep the smooth edge. 2 - rough surfaces serve as habitats and wave breaks. When was the last time you saw a wave...not a ripple there too? The point for that one goes back to water level. This thing is NOT a river. It's a plugged up creek. People complain about it being the exact same way it has been for years and years because IT'S A FLOOD CONTROL DEVICE! You only notice it now because they plugged it to keep water it on a normal basis. It's #1 job is to channel all that crap for us...remember the "river" didn't even used to go where it is now either...we moved it when we made it mowable. There is absolutely nothing natural about the thing....had it been built 30 years later, chances are it would have been concrete lined!

The poo incident from the stockyards was caused by a company there not properly handling their runnoff. That sort of thing happens with any water source like this. Check out river polution near any industrial site. The company was fined and the problem was corrected. Yes, it still pulls runoff from yards to creeks, to the river and all sorts of other crap. But the water is not unsafe to be in. I wouldn't drink it, but i wouldn't recommend drinking any unfiltered water.

To be, it sounds like you're just trying to rant to throw a wet blanket on something the entire rest of the city seems to be onboard with. Let's leave the landscaping and the science of it all to the professionals who know far more than either you or I. Ands ince your name is LAsomeday....you should be happy we don't have the LA river here....cause that worked out so well for aesthetics...huh.

Actually I do have a degree in an environmental science. I never said lawns I said grasses, AKA Reed grass. It can take drought and swamp conditions. It attracts more fish and beneficial creatures than rocks. The banks could be tapered to reach the shores to allow people access to the waters. People like water! Although the water must be clean before that happens. What makes you think that I am not a professional in the matter? You obviously are not! The river would be more accessible to more people than just rowers if they made it more welcoming to people. Sure it will never be 100% natural, but it could at least look like a river. Just imagine taking your kids to the river to fish or float some boats. The river is dammed so it is more like a lake than a moving river.

I also never said anything about the stock yards. There have been studies that show runnoff from lawns into the concrete drainage system that dominates OKC causes a lot of the ecoli problems. This study had sample points before and after the stockyards.

LA doesn't stand for Los Angeles, but thanks for playing! I actually don't like Los Angeles.

lasomeday, maybe you can enlighten us to a more suitable location rather than right next to the currently under construction rowing facilities? Since you know better than everyone involved about every aspect of it and all.

Since you mentioned it, Wheeler Park and Wiley Post Parks and the park between the two that I can't think of the name would be great. I do think critical mass would be nice, but I have been to many events there and parking is a huge issue. If they add more stuff it will take away from the rowing. The two aren't the same, they are different animals that need be fed and nurtured differently. The white water rapids feeding into the smooth waters is not a good thing! So, further up the river would be better. It would also allow for both venues to have events at the same time also creating critical mass for tourists in OKC. Just a thought! The "chamber of commerce days" are few and far between, so having events at the same time would be great.

Also, I don't see a lot of room to build apartments in this area as some people suggest. The interstate right of way will take up a lot of the extra space as well as event parking. Parking will be everywhere!

Wheeler has a baseball/softball complex taking a vast majority of space up. Improvised soccer fields are a use for the empty fields too. They've recently repaved that park and spruced up the diamonds and their supporting features such as bleachers, fences, etc. Wiley Post has a brand new Sprayground, brand new park, brand new pavilion, new basketball court, and has a pretty large parking lot taking up space in the park. Not to mention that it too, is used largely by picnicking families, soccer, cookouts, etc. These have NOTHING to do with the White Water course and honestly, a structure of that sort put into either of these two parks is entirely out of place in context of their current uses, which are actually quite popular a lot of the time. Keep the white water course in the Boathouse area and create a destination of rowing, kayaking, paddling, rafting, zip-lining, mountain-biking, spectating, etc. Do you see the theme, the white water course fits PERFECTLY with the Boathouse area.

On edit also: The trees of Wiley Post and Wheeler would be a true loss if a white water course was built there. They are beautifully grand and old. No need to spread the tearing out of trees to other areas other than Boathouse Row.

Actually I do have a degree in an environmental science. I never said lawns I said grasses, AKA Reed grass. It can take drought and swamp conditions. It attracts more fish and beneficial creatures than rocks. The banks could be tapered to reach the shores to allow people access to the waters. People like water! Although the water must be clean before that happens. What makes you think that I am not a professional in the matter? You obviously are not! The river would be more accessible to more people than just rowers if they made it more welcoming to people. Sure it will never be 100% natural, but it could at least look like a river. Just imagine taking your kids to the river to fish or float some boats. The river is dammed so it is more like a lake than a moving river.

I also never said anything about the stock yards. There have been studies that show runnoff from lawns into the concrete drainage system that dominates OKC causes a lot of the ecoli problems. This study had sample points before and after the stockyards.

LA doesn't stand for Los Angeles, but thanks for playing! I actually don't like Los Angeles.

LA, you have some good points, and if approached politically, maybe something could get done. The grasses in some of the areas next to the parks (in the river) may make a difference. Call your councilman.......................

BTW - what does 'la' stand for ?

Wheeler has a baseball/softball complex taking a vast majority of space up. Improvised soccer fields are a use for the empty fields too. They've recently repaved that park and spruced up the diamonds and their supporting features such as bleachers, fences, etc. Wiley Post has a brand new Sprayground, brand new park, brand new pavilion, new basketball court, and has a pretty large parking lot taking up space in the park. Not to mention that it too, is used largely by picnicking families, soccer, cookouts, etc. These have NOTHING to do with the White Water course and honestly, a structure of that sort put into either of these two parks is entirely out of place in context of their current uses, which are actually quite popular a lot of the time. Keep the white water course in the Boathouse area and create a destination of rowing, kayaking, paddling, rafting, zip-lining, mountain-biking, spectating, etc. Do you see the theme, the white water course fits PERFECTLY with the Boathouse area.

On edit also: The trees of Wiley Post and Wheeler would be a true loss if a white water course was built there. They are beautifully grand and old. No need to spread the tearing out of trees to other areas other than Boathouse Row.

There are more mature trees in the current white water rapids area.

Those were just ideas of places. There are many places along the river to put it. Tulsa has selected a great place for theirs that does not disrupt their rowers.

I was just throwing out ideas. I think having two options is narrow minded seeing how it is just one option fanagled to look like two options. Not that the maps "steering committee" won't pick the worse possible location to benefit their needs like the conventions center.

I personally don't see myself rowing a few miles and then wanting to zip line then do white water rapids in one day. These ideas are great but spacing them out more would allow for more tourism than having one spot.

If the white water rapids drains into the river won't it make waves in the river, so wouldn't they have to "turn" it off to have a rowing event? Just wondering. I haven't seen anything on it.

I am just throwing ideas out there for people to think about. That is what this forum is about?

If the white water rapids drains into the river won't it make waves in the river, so wouldn't they have to "turn" it off to have a rowing event? Just wondering. I haven't seen anything on it.


They are totally self contained and run on a pump system. No draining into the river, so no disruption of the river for rowing events.

I measured the height and width of the course near Charlotte, and its west to east, approximately 2,000ft. at its widest; south to north, approximately 1,600ft at its tallest.

Max capacity for this spot in OKC is west to east, approximately 1,600ft; south to north, approximately 800ft.

To me that's roughly 65% the size of the course in Charlotte, and we're not even working with a square figure here. Our space is probably 45% the size of the course in North Carolina.

There better a helluva design behind this place because I honestly can't see it being as nice or nicer than where the current headquarters are located.

After doing more research, I am noting that there is only one place along the river (and it's not close to Boathouse Row) where a similar sized course can be placed--the old downtown airpark. What's up Grant?? If you want to go bigger, the best shot is going to be Wheeler Park and everything between Western/Walker/New I-40/Oklahoma River. I don't really see the city taking this option cause I doubt they'd like to spend as much. If they did though, they could build New Wheeler Park just east of Western Avenue on the south shore of the river between the airpark and Wiley Post Park. They could revamp the softball fields and make it like a Legends Softball Park or Mitch Park like up in Edmond. It'd be a lot better than what current Wheeler Park is!

Their is a size comparison between the this site with a few different courses in the meeting this week of the river committee for maps 3. I don't think we have to go bigger or even as large, the biggest percentage of it making it financially viable will be by local and regional use, so comparing it in that way does not matter, long distance tourists and events can bring in some more but neither are likely to bring in enough alone to make if financially viable. As long as it is a quality course and they have a good coaching staff, which are both likely to happen then training at higher levels will likely happen.

Well, I'd like to think that the US Kayaking & Whatever organization moving it's headquarters here is to be involved in the design of this course. Who wants to put their home base on top of a trash dump unless you're the king of trash? I doubt they're rowing for that course...

LA doesn't stand for Los Angeles, but thanks for playing! I actually don't like Los Angeles.

Louisiana