Anyone know how many square feet the BOA tower in Charlotte has?

According to Skyscraper.com it is about 1.4 million ft2, 60 stories, and 871 ft tall.

This is what approx. 650 ft. would look like from west of downtown, where the best skyline views are IMO...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/bg918/OKC_Skyline_from_OK_rivercopy.jpg

This is what approx. 650 ft. would look like from west of downtown, where the best skyline views are IMO...

Good job, BG18!

You seem well versed in skyscraperology - are you familar with this building in Singapore?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/430/singapoream3.jpg

Another view:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2195/sing2dy5.jpg

And just for good measure, a night view of Singapore:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6476/singapore3ll7.jpg

The building with the arrow is an impressive tower. That's really a very breathtaking skyline.

This is what approx. 650 ft. would look like from west of downtown, where the best skyline views are IMO...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/bg918/OKC_Skyline_from_OK_rivercopy.jpg

You've placed it too far south. It should be covering up the Colcord and current Devon Tower.

Below Chase, just peeking above the trees is the orange brick building that is on the NW corner of Hudson & Sheridan. The new tower should be in line with that and the Colcord.

i was watching juwana mann and they had tons of charlotte skyline shots. i was thinking how nice their skyline looked and i log on and everyone's talking about charlotte.
kinda weird.... but not that weird tho.
oh and solitude, i love the singapore skyline! ihad never really seen it until i visited tokyo in '03 and saw it in multiple travel mags over there. since i can't read japanese, i couldn't figure out which city it was til i got back home.

Hello all, I finally decided to register after lurking for awhile.

I grew up in OKC and now live in the Tulsa area. I'm very excited about the developments in OKC and quite frankly OKC>Tulsa.

Looks like I should have moved away a LONG time ago, because when I moved away in 05 things took off like a rocket lol.

Now about this Devon Tower. I'm hoping that just maybe, MAYBE they've already worked out the details and when I'm down for ISHM in about 10 days they'll unveil it for the rest of us in the industry? I realize thats probably not going to happen but it'd be sweet.

I wouldn't worry too much about this tower dwarfing others in the downtown area. What I would be more concerned about is the tower increasing already moderately high vacancy rates in downtown. That would drive down prices and further discourage more building in the area. I know that Nichols cares greatly about the community and is not going to do something detrimental to downtown. So if the tower is over 1M sq ft I wouldn't expect it to come in more than 1.2M. The other consideration that I'm sure Devon is thinking about is the potential for a crash in energy prices. Which is not only possible but even likely. Right now the price of oil has far outstripped supply/demand dynamics. Most in the industry agree based on supply/demand that oil should be in the 60 to 80 dollar a barrel range. But due to a weaker dollar and substantial hedging in commodities the price has skyrocketed the last 12 months. That will almost certainly turn around to a degree, and just as irrational exuberance has driven the price UP, it could easily drive the price way down.

The good news is that long term trends show prices at a level that supports profitibility and exploration in the industry and that shows little sign of changing. However, temporary depressions in the price of oil and to a lesser extent natural gas are entirely possible. This current pricing bubble has many in the industry a bit worried that it could crash pretty hard for a short period of time 18 to 36 months.

I said that simply to say I wouldn't expect a building much bigger than 1.2M sq feet. I also would say anything bigger could be a bigger detriment to downtown than a positive. Hopefully Devon will build along with AF, I could also see Chesapeake making a move downtown within the next 10 years as well. Chesapeake seems to be planning for downturns in the industry based on their recent business moves into commerical office space and retail. They have also cautioned many states where they operate to prepare for a fall in energy prices. I think that could eventually lead chesapeake to expand beyond their current campus or even turn that into a highly specialized training/education facility within the industry??? Just some things I've thought about....

i was watching juwana mann and they had tons of charlotte skyline shots. i was thinking how nice their skyline looked and i log on and everyone's talking about charlotte.
kinda weird.... but not that weird tho.
oh and solitude, i love the singapore skyline! ihad never really seen it until i visited tokyo in '03 and saw it in multiple travel mags over there. since i can't read japanese, i couldn't figure out which city it was til i got back home.

Charlotte was very similar to OKC 10 and 15 years ago and has since seen some rapid growth and some substantial business plays come to their city. Thats why Charlotte was brought up.

Check out some of the wild architecture happening in Toronto. It is definitely a haven for skyscrapers with over 100 currently under construction and another 300 proposed!

http://torontoist.com/attachments/toronto_david/badbuildingsabsolute.jpg

http://www.jeffsells.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/the-l-tower-artists-impression.jpg

I believe they have broken ground on both of these. I would love to see some creativity in Devon's tower, but maybe not this much creativity.

hey ou grad, the large vacancy rate is largely due to the first national center... the new owners are dragging thir feet with the remodel.
with devon vacating chase it could eff with things for a minute. but with tom ward's sandridge taking over the old KMG bldg and devon's commitment to downtown (plus core to shore in the future) i think more companies will follow suit. combined with all the housing going in around deep deuce, the triangle and midtown... i wouldn't worry.

I may be more fuddy duddy than I want to admit. The blsg in #249 above can, in my opinion, stay where it is. Looks like someone turned a mega-grow ray on the Pop's bottle and inverted it.

Fixed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/bg918/devontower.jpg

Fixed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/bg918/devontower.jpg

Beautiful! IMO, it could still be quite a bit higher and actually complement the other buildings.

ya, I think 650 would be a little bit taller BG, but you've got the right idea - it won't dwarf downtown.

You'd have to have at least a 300 feet difference to really start to dwarf the other buildings, and that would require an 800 foot tower - which is something we're probably not likely to see anytime soon.

That's why I think 700 is a good number, tall enough without being too tall. It would definitely DEFINE the skyline without taking away from it.

Certainly an iconic 700 footer would do wonders for OKC, especially when the city gets national media coverage!!! I bet that alone will do wonders for OKC's image around the nation/world.

heyyyyyyyyyyy........community!

Refering to the proposed devon tower i think you can anticipate as potential design architect - pickard chilton, used often by hines. check out their work, nice.................

You've placed it too far south. It should be covering up the Colcord and current Devon Tower.

Below Chase, just peeking above the trees is the orange brick building that is on the NW corner of Hudson & Sheridan. The new tower should be in line with that and the Colcord.

Slight correction, the building, from this point of view would be located between chase tower and existing devon fronting most of chase tower.......

I Googled Pickard Chilton and went to their website. Very, very, very impressive work. If they are chosen for the Devon tower, I think we all will be overwhelmingly pleased.

heyyyyyyyyyyy........community!

Refering to the proposed devon tower i think you can anticipate as potential design architect - pickard chilton, used often by hines. check out their work, nice.................

Impressive! I think that whatever wil be built, it will certainly be a building of our time, meaning lots of glass, elegant profile and hopefully to a high environmental standard. Yes, the nation will look at OKC, in a different way after its completion, but I have high hopes that it will be for the right reasons and NOT just because we have produced another tall behemoth. Let's set a new standard in urban design!

Slight correction, the building, from this point of view would be located between chase tower and existing devon fronting most of chase tower.......

Well it will be on Sheridan, so it should line up with Renaissance, Colcord, and the orange brick building I mentioned above. BG has it about right.

isn't the angle in the pic wrong though? I'm thinking it should be tilted another 30 degrees or so to the left, it should be in line with the Renaissance.

isn't the angle in the pic wrong though? I'm thinking it should be tilted another 30 degrees or so to the left, it should be in line with the Renaissance.


Why the focus on particulars?

heyyyyyyyyyyy........community!

Refering to the proposed devon tower i think you can anticipate as potential design architect - pickard chilton, used often by hines. check out their work, nice.................


Here is some of his work...

1.3 million sq. ft, 60 stories, Chicago
http://www.chicagoarchitecture.info/Images/NearNorthSide/300NorthLaSalle-001.jpg

1.15 million sq. ft, 41 stories, 645ft, Atlanta
http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/bts/archives/tallbuildings/08_Peachtree/images/thumb.jpg


1.0 million sq. ft, 29 stories, Nashville
http://www.pickardchilton.com/GetImage.aspx?id=50&photo=MainPhoto&table=tblProject

1.1 million sq. ft, 50 stories, Chicago
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7899/riverpointiy1.jpg

2.2 million sq. ft, 40 stories, Houston
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/dumbobastard/pickardchilton.jpg


With the exception of the 2.2 million sq. ft building in Houston these are probably in the range of what Devon is looking for.

Wow! Those are all great. Modern, classic, classy without stepping too far out of bounds aesthetically.

Nos. 1 and 3 almost give me that First National vibe - but in a very modern way.

My favorite hands down is the 4th pic, along the Chicago River. It would be nice to divert from the square box look of our other downtown buildings.

The Atlanta tower is the Peachtree tower developed by Hines - the same company hired by Devon

Well it will be on Sheridan, so it should line up with Renaissance, Colcord, and the orange brick building I mentioned above. BG has it about right.

http://www.okctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2634/cat/501

The Atlanta tower is the Peachtree tower developed by Hines - the same company hired by Devon

As a matter of fact all of the projects above are Hines developments.

I don't see all the excitement about Devon's tower. It's just another big corporation that cares nothing about their employees and everything about the bottom line. I'd rather see them give the money to their employees than towards some large iconic skyscraper.

jsenter... the savior of OKC. Welcome to the board.

Thanks. I try to stick up for the little guy. That's a hard thing to do in todays society.

Hey, as a Devon employee, I'd love to see a bonus, but I gotta say, I'm treated well, and I'm not a big wig by any means.

I welcome a new addition to the skyline. I'd rather Devon spend the money on beautifying our downtown area, than on more profits for their executives. I don't see the issue, jsenter.

Back on topic, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the height of the Nashville tower. Devon seems not to care much for height at this point. I do hope it's taller though.

Hey, as a Devon employee, I'd love to see a bonus, but I gotta say, I'm treated well, and I'm not a big wig by any means.
I want to work for Devon...could they use a good draftman?

I don't see all the excitement about Devon's tower. It's just another big corporation that cares nothing about their employees and everything about the bottom line. I'd rather see them give the money to their employees than towards some large iconic skyscraper.

Without Devon, where would those employees be?

i wish every big company would build something downtown, so maybe in the long run they will become bigger and better and than after they have this big building downtown than they can give employees bonus'!!!

haha

I have been trying to get on at Devon for some time. I am sure they get a lot of applications monthly. (Thats what I have been telling myself anyways lol)

I really don't like any of those towers. All seem fat with no real style. Bascially, none seem ICONIC.

I welcome a new addition to the skyline. I'd rather Devon spend the money on beautifying our downtown area, than on more profits for their executives. I don't see the issue, jsenter.

Back on topic, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the height of the Nashville tower. Devon seems not to care much for height at this point. I do hope it's taller though.

Well, they did actually state at least 37 floors, so in principle in should be taller than the Nashville tower.

All of the towers shown are smart, but to me they are not "Iconic". I am hoping for something a bit more original.

Yes, i'm sure you have to know somebody to get in front of the line:)

Here's a quick comparison of various buildings in other cities, including Tulsa.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/scyscrapers.jpg

UnFrSkn, that's a cool comparison chart, really puts things in perspective, we could probably go to 800 feet and still not dwarf the other buildings too much.

Fixed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/bg918/devontower.jpg

http://<img src="http://www.okctalk.com/gallery/data/501/medium/okc_skyline.jpg" />

EYE CANDY......

Howw Do I Attach An Image????????

http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk92/gandjdunlap/okcskyline.jpg

more eye candy..............

Like Patrick said, they're not going for the tallest building. You folks are all dreaming. It will be a large fat building that will barely be 37 stories.

actually we don't know for sure exactly how it will turn out.

jsenter,

no harm in speculating, pondering, wondering about the possiblities

loosen up man............

I would think ICONIC would mean tall, most likely with a defining "crown" at the top that adds height. It will be an interesting day once renderings come out in the next few months...

I went down to 12th and Midtown in Atlanta tonight and snapped a few pictures of the building the might serve as a model for the Devon building.

http://www.okctalk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/12th_and_Midtown_027.JPG

http://www.okctalk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/12th_and_Midtown_035.JPG

Here is another Hines building in Atlanta. I think this is the 3rd tallest building in Atlanta at around 850 feet.

http://www.okctalk.com/gallery/data/501/medium/12th_and_Midtown_012A.jpg

ok for a super cool building that i think would make the skyline in OKC super is the John Hancock Building in Boston , its mirrored and had a photogenic life of its own, see the pics that reflect its surroundings.

How coolwould this be in the sky, definately iconic and yet modern, classic, and so futuristic too, looks like the stealth mode of the Predator in one of its pics. see links
Image:John Hancock Tower.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:John_Hancock_Tower.jpg)

Image:Boston-pru2.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boston-pru2.png)

Image:Boston-pru.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boston-pru.png)

Image:Boston Back Bay.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boston_Back_Bay.jpg)


http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/fa267/pei/hancock2.jpg


http://www.penceland.com/images/Hancocks.jpg


this building changes looks and colors with the sky and environment , very cool

Centaurian,

Surely you jest, do you really want to see another mirrored glass 60's era modernist box?

By I.M. Pei no less.................father of the OKC Pei Plan.

Why not somethimg more progressive and green (LEED certified)

Why not somethimg more progressive and green (LEED certified)

That would be a good move for Devon. Any way a big oil company can at least "look" environmentally responsible they should capitalize on it. That would be good for OKC's image too.

I'm sure Larry Nichols has someone watching this thread for all of its important commentary.

Keep going guys!

Centaurian,

Surely you jest, do you really want to see another mirrored glass 60's era modernist box?

By I.M. Pei no less.................father of the OKC Pei Plan.

Why not somethimg more progressive and green (LEED certified)

yeah sure i just jest. its merely interesting architecture that would look cool here.

the New York Times building is Green its another of my favs. :p
but they could go with the Progressive futuristic style of Dubia>?

1.2 mill square feet. footprint will be approx. 500 feet by 500 feet.

development / design will take approximately 1 year with construction estimated at 3 years.

Edit: First floor entry area will be atrium style with lush foliage, waterfalls, etc. evoking gardens from across the street.

Interesting ideas about tie-ins to Gardens, but nothing concrete at this point.

500ft X 500ft = 250,000 sq ft per floor

1.2 Million sq ft / 250,000 sq ft = 4.8 Floors

Centaurian,

Surely you jest, do you really want to see another mirrored glass 60's era modernist box?

By I.M. Pei no less.................father of the OKC Pei Plan.

Why not somethimg more progressive and green (LEED certified)

Glass has nothing to do with being LEED certified. World Trade Center 7, Hurst Tower and Bank of America Tower all in NYC are all glass buildings and are LEED certified. I do agree with you about the whole box idea and the 60's and 70's designs. However I personally think a all glass building would look good in OKC. I also think that Nichols will push for a LEED certification to give Devon good PR.

500 X 500=25,000?

500 X 500=250,000

1,200,000/250,000=4.8 Floors

Glass has nothing to do with being LEED certified. World Trade Center 7, Hurst Tower and Bank of America Tower all in NYC are all glass buildings and are LEED certified. I do agree with you about the whole box idea and the 60's and 70's designs. However I personally think a all glass building would look good in OKC. I also think that Nichols will push for a LEED certification to give Devon good PR.

Mirrored glass, specifically, with it's reflective properties.