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barrettd 07-28-2023, 09:39 AM Did all the people who supposedly rented spaces for "new stores" in Crossroads ever actually rent anything? Did money change hands? Or was that all just part of the orchestrated media BS from the mall's new "owners?"
Sure felt like a grift, but I'm a pessimist.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/new-vision-in-place-for-part-of-abandoned-oklahoma-city-mall-set-to-reopen-its-doors/ar-AA1es8Z8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2f323ffe5d1b410993493cc174e4bb37&ei=22
I will believe it when I see it
Soonerinfiniti 07-28-2023, 01:45 PM https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-city-crossroads-mall-convention-center/44665736?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&fbclid=IwAR34jhRJ-uafV877YPHEoS2hpdEeRCwVOh2NqhUaRs8Kr5237PNgh7jqHMc
I just really wish they would bulldoze the mall and turn it into something useful
Plutonic Panda 07-28-2023, 02:32 PM How many proposals that we had now for this mall? Are we at 5 now? First the Mexican Plaza, then a carnival or something, then the Asian center, then a football stadium, and now this.
What the owners really should be doing is working with the RTA to get a commuter rail stop and focus on that. Then build a TOD from there that still has parking structures so people have more options but a commuter rail stop would add to the appeal.
chssooner 07-28-2023, 02:57 PM I just really wish they would bulldoze the mall and turn it into something useful
We'll, we'd have to wait until that junction is fixed.
jn1780 07-28-2023, 04:57 PM https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-city-crossroads-mall-convention-center/44665736?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&fbclid=IwAR34jhRJ-uafV877YPHEoS2hpdEeRCwVOh2NqhUaRs8Kr5237PNgh7jqHMc
Wow! They spent the past two years just to get an empty shell ready
mugofbeer 07-30-2023, 09:56 PM I just really wish they would bulldoze the mall and turn it into something useful
I 100% agree. That land has so much potential for industrial/manufacturing/distribution centers.
HangryHippo 07-31-2023, 05:40 PM I 100% agree. That land has so much potential for industrial/manufacturing/distribution centers.
This or the jail.
mugofbeer 07-31-2023, 11:08 PM It certainly could house the jail but it would be an underuse of a huge piece of land at a prime Interstate hiway interchange as well as an active railroad.
chssooner 07-31-2023, 11:22 PM It certainly could house the jail but it would be an underuse of a huge piece of land at a prime Interstate hiway interchange as well as an active railroad.
Just need that abomination of an interchange fixed. In 10 years, it will be a prime land. Now? It isn't.
baralheia 07-31-2023, 11:54 PM How many proposals that we had now for this mall? Are we at 5 now? First the Mexican Plaza, then a carnival or something, then the Asian center, then a football stadium, and now this.
What the owners really should be doing is working with the RTA to get a commuter rail stop and focus on that. Then build a TOD from there that still has parking structures so people have more options but a commuter rail stop would add to the appeal.
A million times this. A commuter stop here with housing and retail surrounding it would be killer for the area. I'm continually surprised that this doesn't seem to be on the radar of any developer right now.
IKnowThings 08-05-2023, 08:56 PM https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/new-vision-in-place-for-part-of-abandoned-oklahoma-city-mall-set-to-reopen-its-doors/ar-AA1es8Z8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2f323ffe5d1b410993493cc174e4bb37&ei=22
I will believe it when I see it
Pretty sure they will need a permit to change the use from retail to a convention center. Can't find one on the city's website.
I have completely given up hope.
At this point, I'd be very surprised if anything happened with the mall or the two department stores not owned by the charter school.
They were actually working on the friendship gate yesterday, although it looks like it's going to be pretty small:
HTTP://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/crossroads080623a.jpg
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SSEiYah 08-07-2023, 11:56 AM Their website (https://www.crossroadsconventioncenter.com/current-tenants) states they now have 16 tenants, most of which appear to be marijuana themed businesses and they are trying to market it as a place for a prom? Hmm...
https://i.imgur.com/aRy7PAc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7dgCftY.jpg
Plutonic Panda 08-07-2023, 12:03 PM That looks like something from an Onion article. Is that for real?
Jesseda 08-07-2023, 01:34 PM Their website (https://www.crossroadsconventioncenter.com/current-tenants) states they now have 16 tenants, most of which appear to be marijuana themed businesses and they are trying to market it as a place for a prom? Hmm...
https://i.imgur.com/aRy7PAc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7dgCftY.jpg
If this is not a joke then this is the saddest mall revival I ever seen. almost 100 percent marijuana related mall? If so then this is probably a first in the nation
mugofbeer 08-07-2023, 01:47 PM Smh........
I hope it is a joke, we do not need another cannabis store since it is on every street and every corner everywhere!
Video Expert 08-13-2023, 10:45 PM Please delete
Video Expert 08-13-2023, 10:46 PM Their website (https://www.crossroadsconventioncenter.com/current-tenants) states they now have 16 tenants, most of which appear to be marijuana themed businesses and they are trying to market it as a place for a prom? Hmm...
https://i.imgur.com/aRy7PAc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7dgCftY.jpg
I think they meant "Pipe and Vapes" under what they offer at an additional cost.
d-usa 08-14-2023, 03:17 AM Their website (https://www.crossroadsconventioncenter.com/current-tenants) states they now have 16 tenants, most of which appear to be marijuana themed businesses and they are trying to market it as a place for a prom? Hmm...
https://i.imgur.com/aRy7PAc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7dgCftY.jpg
Is it even really 16 tenants when the majority are the same main business?
That's like saying they are building 3 stores whenever we get a new Walmart/Walmart Pharmacy/Walmart Tire
Snowman 08-14-2023, 04:04 AM I hope it is a joke, we do not need another cannabis store since it is on every street and every corner everywhere!
Yeah, the number of stores in the metro already seems unsustainable, they are getting on par with gas stations as far as density of locations in multiple parts of the metro. It would be surprising if there is not eventually contraction, we already have among the highest amount of stores per 100,000 customers in the country, at 48.7 per 100,000. What can a hub of that many stores do to distinguish themselves, when most people can get cannabis around a mile or less from their house, often in multiple directions.
Snowman 08-14-2023, 04:25 AM Is it even really 16 tenants when the majority are the same main business?
That's like saying they are building 3 stores whenever we get a new Walmart/Walmart Pharmacy/Walmart Tire
An issue with discounting repetition in a medium/large mall, is most of the tenants always had a lot of overlap in product category with other mall tenants, even if targeting very different customers.
jn1780 08-14-2023, 02:11 PM An issue with discounting repetition in a medium/large mall, is most of the tenants always had a lot of overlap in product category with other mall tenants, even if targeting very different customers.
In the case of that ad. 5 or 6 of those tenants is literally the same company(Chronic Brands) ran by the same husband and wife team that is operating the convention center. They are just padding everything to make the ad look better. Chronic Palooza is not even a tenant, its an event.
jn1780 08-14-2023, 02:43 PM Their website (https://www.crossroadsconventioncenter.com/current-tenants) states they now have 16 tenants, most of which appear to be marijuana themed businesses and they are trying to market it as a place for a prom? Hmm...
Wonder if they could at least get Santa Fe South to book? For free, sponsored by Chronic Brands! :)
oklip955 08-14-2023, 05:46 PM So how is this going to work with the school there?? It seems like the best option is for the whole thing to be sold for redevelopment. Move the school to a better location and then tear the place down. With that said then zone it for industrial use. It will bring in jobs. With jobs then small business can come to the area such as cafes and breakfast places. end of rant.
baralheia 08-14-2023, 08:26 PM I know it's been said before, but if at least some of this property is not used for transit-oriented development around a stop on the proposed Norman-OKC-Edmond commuter line, it will be a massively wasted opportunity. I hope *someone* with the pockets and the gumption to actually do something of value here is keeping something like this in mind.
Ginkasa 01-10-2024, 06:17 PM The AMC Crossroads 16 has permanently closed according to the AMC website.
jn1780 01-10-2024, 09:59 PM It lasted longer than I thought it would.
jdg78 01-10-2024, 11:19 PM It lasted 20+ years with zero economic development support around it. Moore sucked every last drop out of crossroads which they will soon regret with the crappy development on 19th st. Let’s not forget that Moore was willing to work with the Warren regarding incentives when OKC said no. I can only imagine what could have been had OKC proactively supported Crossroads like Quail Springs (Von More) and other incentives as well as Penn Square. They let Crossroads die and compound that with no political pressure to influence ODOT to improve infrastructure at I240 and I35. How many decades are they going to punt improvements while we improve every other area thoroughfare in the metro? The interchange project should've been completed a decade ago? How about improvements along 240? Comparing that stretch to Memorial, Kirkpatrick, Broadway extension and I35/I44 interchange is a joke. Wonder why one specific area has choked off and died and the others have experienced exponential growth and development???
Listen social warriors who champion in other parts of the city fighting overt discrimination. What say you about South OKC? Hypocrites!!!
Just like the jail in OK County landing in the farthest south point of OK county. Sre you kidding me there was no other viable location north of the river???? It’s all political will and influence. Complete joke and WAke THe F up HYPOCRITES!
bombermwc 01-11-2024, 08:00 AM As someone living in Moore, i'd be interested how you came to the conclusion that 19th street is crappy? It's been an economic absolute BOOM for Moore. And most of that is stuff that would never have been in Crossroads and I certainly wouldn't have go to Crossroads for it f there was an alternative.
I think your opinions are flavored with not much fact, but a lot of passion.
Crossroads failed as a matter of trends in how people shop. It failed like a MASSIVE number of malls in the US have.
Zuplar 01-11-2024, 08:25 AM It lasted 20+ years with zero economic development support around it. Moore sucked every last drop out of crossroads which they will soon regret with the crappy development on 19th st. Let’s not forget that Moore was willing to work with the Warren regarding incentives when OKC said no. I can only imagine what could have been had OKC proactively supported Crossroads like Quail Springs (Von More) and other incentives as well as Penn Square. They let Crossroads die and compound that with no political pressure to influence ODOT to improve infrastructure at I240 and I35. How many decades are they going to punt improvements while we improve every other area thoroughfare in the metro? The interchange project should've been completed a decade ago? How about improvements along 240? Comparing that stretch to Memorial, Kirkpatrick, Broadway extension and I35/I44 interchange is a joke. Wonder why one specific area has choked off and died and the others have experienced exponential growth and development???
Listen social warriors who champion in other parts of the city fighting overt discrimination. What say you about South OKC? Hypocrites!!!
Just like the jail in OK County landing in the farthest south point of OK county. Sre you kidding me there was no other viable location north of the river???? It’s all political will and influence. Complete joke and WAke THe F up HYPOCRITES!
As a southsider I feel your pain. This jail debacle is crap.
Colbafone 01-11-2024, 09:30 AM As someone living in Moore, i'd be interested how you came to the conclusion that 19th street is crappy? It's been an economic absolute BOOM for Moore. And most of that is stuff that would never have been in Crossroads and I certainly wouldn't have go to Crossroads for it f there was an alternative.
I think your opinions are flavored with not much fact, but a lot of passion.
Crossroads failed as a matter of trends in how people shop. It failed like a MASSIVE number of malls in the US have.
Economically, 19th might be successful.
But I'm not kidding when I say it might be the absolute WORST stretch of street to navigate in the entire metro. It makes May (from Mayfair up to Memorial Road) look like friggin 23rd Street east of I-35. I absolutely HATE 19th street.
jn1780 01-11-2024, 10:32 AM It lasted 20+ years with zero economic development support around it. Moore sucked every last drop out of crossroads which they will soon regret with the crappy development on 19th st. Let’s not forget that Moore was willing to work with the Warren regarding incentives when OKC said no. I can only imagine what could have been had OKC proactively supported Crossroads like Quail Springs (Von More) and other incentives as well as Penn Square. They let Crossroads die and compound that with no political pressure to influence ODOT to improve infrastructure at I240 and I35. How many decades are they going to punt improvements while we improve every other area thoroughfare in the metro? The interchange project should've been completed a decade ago? How about improvements along 240? Comparing that stretch to Memorial, Kirkpatrick, Broadway extension and I35/I44 interchange is a joke. Wonder why one specific area has choked off and died and the others have experienced exponential growth and development???
Listen social warriors who champion in other parts of the city fighting overt discrimination. What say you about South OKC? Hypocrites!!!
Just like the jail in OK County landing in the farthest south point of OK county. Sre you kidding me there was no other viable location north of the river???? It’s all political will and influence. Complete joke and WAke THe F up HYPOCRITES!
Quail Springs isn't really doing that great these days when compared to Penn Square.
jdg78 01-11-2024, 12:41 PM I live in far sw okc and went to Moore schools. Im in area frequently but choose to spend my tax dollars in OKC. Inquire with Ms. Embrey the economic development point person for city of Moore and educate yourself on the massive incentives provided by the city to develop that area. They were desperate to build a sales tax base and provided big incentives to create what is now there. It is a massively ill planned area. Also, ever wonder why there is only one non fast casual or fast food restaurant in Fritz Farms????? Perhaps they enticed Chilli’s by including a provision that another sit down restaurant is located there. Massive missed opportunity. The rest of that area is cookie cutter.
BoulderSooner 01-11-2024, 02:13 PM As someone living in Moore, i'd be interested how you came to the conclusion that 19th street is crappy? I.
do the words "Suburbia Hell " mean anything to you ..
jn1780 01-11-2024, 02:24 PM do the words "Suburbia Hell " mean anything to you ..
Yeah, I don't think Moore is any different from Yukon or North OKC/Edmond area. That's just where a lot of people of families move to.
BoulderSooner 01-11-2024, 02:35 PM Yeah, I don't think Moore is any different from Yukon or North OKC/Edmond area. That's just where a lot of people of families move to.
19th street Absolutely is different
Plutonic Panda 01-11-2024, 02:47 PM do the words "Suburbia Hell " mean anything to you ..
Do the words street widening mean anything to you? This street should be 3-4 lanes each way.
SEMIweather 01-11-2024, 03:02 PM Nm
None of this has anything to do with Crossroads Mall.
I will delete future off-topic posts.
jn1780 01-11-2024, 04:48 PM Crazy going back to the first posts on this thread and seeing talk about interchange construction 19 years ago! I had just graduated high school. I guess it wasn't the interchange or Pole road closure doing them in. It will probably be the completion of the interchange that finally triggers something new going in at the Crossroads mall property.
mugofbeer 01-11-2024, 08:13 PM The biggest waste of prime industrial property in OKC. Clear the thing off and prepare it for an ideal industrial candidate..
jn1780 01-12-2024, 08:05 AM Crossroads was built next door to a landfill(or maybe the landfill came after?) that gradually got larger and larger over the years. That's a big hurdle that has to be overcome for anything non-industrial.
TheTravellers 01-12-2024, 10:07 AM Crossroads was built next door to a landfill(or maybe the landfill came after?) that gradually got larger and larger over the years. That's a big hurdle that has to be overcome for anything non-industrial.
What actual physical restrictions/problems/etc. does this landfill actually cause for the location and is a big hurdle to overcome (smell, noise, ...)? Or is it just perception?
jn1780 01-12-2024, 10:24 AM What actual physical restrictions/problems/etc. does this landfill actually cause for the location and is a big hurdle to overcome (smell, noise, ...)? Or is it just perception?
Perception. Not that it can't be improved if you position future buildings in a way that blocks the view of the landfill.
Mesta Parker 01-12-2024, 12:32 PM Crossroads was built next door to a landfill(or maybe the landfill came after?) that gradually got larger and larger over the years. That's a big hurdle that has to be overcome for anything non-industrial.
The landfill was there before Crossroads.
SEMIweather 01-12-2024, 11:37 PM The smell from that landfill can be pretty awful at times, but shouldn’t serve as a major impediment for the Crossroads location because OKC so rarely gets due easterly winds.
jdg78 01-12-2024, 11:39 PM How many landfills are in North OKC?
jn1780 01-13-2024, 10:53 AM There is one landfill in NE OKC. There is also one semi close to the outlet shops. I think that isn't as old so it's not as tall in height. Plus, outlet shops isn't built on a hill.
jn1780 01-13-2024, 11:11 AM The smell from that landfill can be pretty awful at times, but shouldn’t serve as a major impediment for the Crossroads location because OKC so rarely gets due easterly winds.
I live a few blocks to the west of the Purina plant. It would nice if something besides warehouses, body shops, or dealerships went in along that stretch of memorial. Closest we got was some Warren theater rumors. I don't know how much is due to occasional Purina smells drifting back to the west.
bombermwc 01-15-2024, 07:42 AM I live in north Moore and worked out at the old Lucent Plan (7725 Connect) and also on South Meridian over the years. I will tell you that if you hit the wind right, you can smell the stockyards and both dumps. But 99% of the time, you can't smell any of those from the residential or commercial areas surrounding them.
It's actually funny that on 240, when you're driving west at sundown, the sun sort of hits behind Mt. Trashmore and it also looks like a little mountain skyline view. Of course, you travel another mile and you realize what it is. But from far away, it can almost look "nice". hahahahaha.
Crossroads has plenty of other undesirable things nearby though. Valley Brook for sure. That entire NE corner of the land is industrial grossness. The mostly abandoned strip mall to the SW. I mean honestly, there isn't anything nice near it at all. It really is a zone of dead grossness. And it's been that way for at least 30 years.
Shortsyeararound 01-15-2024, 09:22 AM I live in north Moore and worked out at the old Lucent Plan (7725 Connect) and also on South Meridian over the years. I will tell you that if you hit the wind right, you can smell the stockyards and both dumps. But 99% of the time, you can't smell any of those from the residential or commercial areas surrounding them.
It's actually funny that on 240, when you're driving west at sundown, the sun sort of hits behind Mt. Trashmore and it also looks like a little mountain skyline view. Of course, you travel another mile and you realize what it is. But from far away, it can almost look "nice". hahahahaha.
Crossroads has plenty of other undesirable things nearby though. Valley Brook for sure. That entire NE corner of the land is industrial grossness. The mostly abandoned strip mall to the SW. I mean honestly, there isn't anything nice near it at all. It really is a zone of dead grossness. And it's been that way for at least 30 years.
Close, I would say 26 years. 30 years ago it was thriving- Okc Sports, Best Buy, Luby's, Toy's R Us- all making money on the periphery.
PhiAlpha 01-15-2024, 12:38 PM Would be a great spot for the new jail.
oklip955 01-15-2024, 12:51 PM Since nothing has ever come of all the so called plans, I think it needs to just be torn down. With that said I agree it would be a good spot to put the county jail.
unfundedrick 01-15-2024, 11:33 PM Close, I would say 26 years. 30 years ago it was thriving- Okc Sports, Best Buy, Luby's, Toy's R Us- all making money on the periphery.
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unfundedrick 01-15-2024, 11:36 PM I live in north Moore and worked out at the old Lucent Plan (7725 Connect) and also on South Meridian over the years. I will tell you that if you hit the wind right, you can smell the stockyards and both dumps. But 99% of the time, you can't smell any of those from the residential or commercial areas surrounding them.
It's actually funny that on 240, when you're driving west at sundown, the sun sort of hits behind Mt. Trashmore and it also looks like a little mountain skyline view. Of course, you travel another mile and you realize what it is. But from far away, it can almost look "nice". hahahahaha.
Crossroads has plenty of other undesirable things nearby though. Valley Brook for sure. That entire NE corner of the land is industrial grossness. The mostly abandoned strip mall to the SW. I mean honestly, there isn't anything nice near it at all. It really is a zone of dead grossness. And it's been that way for at least 30 years.
I can't disagree that it would be nice to have better neighbors but , in my many years of going there, I never gave a minute of thought about what else was in the area. My only concern was what was in the mall that I was interested in.
bombermwc 01-16-2024, 07:41 AM I can't disagree that it would be nice to have better neighbors but , in my many years of going there, I never gave a minute of thought about what else was in the area. My only concern was what was in the mall that I was interested in.
Except you can't ignore that fact. The area around where a commercial district is, does impact the likelihood of customers going there and it's longevity. Crossroads is in an area that did not fare well over the years and is (even without Crossroads closing) quite economically depressed. Now, you don't have to go far to exist that depressed area, but it certainly focused pretty hard right in that area. I would say that Penn is good example of the opposite. The schools (PCO) in that area are not particularly good, but the area around it has stayed on the nicer side. There's been continual development right up against it for decades, and RE-development. The surroundings there absolutely are important for how Penn continues.
At this point, i just wish they would doze the whole thing and start over. It's better as a dirt mound that an ongoing reminder of failure after failure and the inability of people to cooperate towards a common goal. Like Heritage, it's just going to continue to fester and rot until someone condemns it.
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