Access has never been a problem. That's just an excuss previous CRM owners used to deflect from their own poor management. Its more difficult to access Penn Square Mall today(traffic) than it was to access Crossroads Mall at its prime.

I don't think it is just an excuse, i know I stopped going there when ODOT made things more difficult (agree that management didn't help matters any)

I never had access issues, but they did run out of stores of interest to me. I've only been one time since Dillard's shut down, and that's been a while now.

Hey, it's your opinion, but access is something people have complained about for a long time. It's not that it's a huge thing, but it is a contributing factor. If somehwere is difficult to get to, who wants to go there?

Thunder - Penn is accessed from the NWXway exit when you're going westbound. it's closed right now for construction, but you also have the option 1/4 mile up the road of Classen. The both put you on the NWXway about 1/4 mile from the entrance....without making and turns. That's the big difference, you don't have to go through a whole maze to get there. East-bound, don't know cause i've never gone that way, but i beileve they can use the classen exit as well. Still half the work that a crossroads exit is.

Agreed, even if coming from south, (Penn), I'd go across NW Exprwy and go into that entrance. Never had much cause to use the one along NW Expressway, but w/ the new lights there and all, its easier than before. IMHO.

How is Crossroads still open? Anybody been to look at how many stores that are there now?

Hey, it's your opinion, but access is something people have complained about for a long time. It's not that it's a huge thing, but it is a contributing factor. If somehwere is difficult to get to, who wants to go there?
I don't know who "people" is but I started going to Crossroads from the time it was first constructed and never heard anyone complain about access until I started reading the comments here.

It's all in who you talk to I guess. I've heard family and others complain about it as long as I've been alive. Even as a 5 year old going with my grandma, I felt like it was a lot of work to get there.

Soonerman - there are actually quite a few stores left in there. I'd say it's about 1/3 occupied. Of course without any anchors, it's a LOT more dead inside. There are always more families playing in the kid area than in the rest of the place combined.

How is Crossroads still open? Anybody been to look at how many stores that are there now?


The mall was about 80% vacant the last time I checked. Best Buy just announced it is leaving its pad site by Crossroads and moving up the road to an empty Circuit City.

Toys R Us will follow soon, I'm sure.

Best Buy just announced it is leaving its pad site by Crossroads and moving up the road to an empty Circuit City.

Called it! (http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=22861&p=357020#post357020)

The mall was about 80% vacant the last time I checked. Best Buy just announced it is leaving its pad site by Crossroads and moving up the road to an empty Circuit City.

Toys R Us will follow soon, I'm sure.

The Toys R Us move/closing was announced before the holidays, they are building a new store in Moore and will close this location when completed.

The Toys R Us move/closing was announced before the holidays, they are building a new store in Moore and will close this location when completed.

Funny that Mega never mentioned that since he works there.

Funny that Mega never mentioned that since he works there.

Quoting this so you can't deny being a liar. He never said that he is working there.

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I don't think either stores should close and move... They're making a big mistake.

Quoting this so you can't deny being a liar. He never said that he is working there.

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I don't think either stores should close and move... They're making a big mistake.

They have to go/move where the shoppers are, if the Crest you work at lost 85% of they're customers, how fast do you thing they would close up and/or move.

These buildings they own are most likely already paid for. They just need to do a bit more advertising and creative. The mall is not a lost case, because it can be revived somehow into something different.

Not to mention the fact that ALL of the buildings on that portion of the frontage road will be taken out for the new interchange. So Best Buy, the hotels, Texas Roadhouse...they're all going. The Theater is far enough away that I think it's staying, but the other stuff that butts up to the north bound ramp....they're gonna be outta here.

Best Buy - if they move to the old CC, you'll see a downsize. That shows something about how the sales in that store have gone down since the MWC and Moore stores opened.

Thunder - how quickly you've gone from saying Crossroads was alive again to being the first in line to kill her off.

So they want to destroy the strip there for an interchange that will never come for years, but I think its wrong to destroy the hotel and the restaurant.

I stil lsay its odd about toysrus, the manager told me aq couple months ago that that location was going to remain open since the the moore location fell through, they where going to relocate to the shoppes in moore where hobby lobby is now, but they didnt go through with it, so if they are now planning on going to moore, where would it be at now? I dont see them building any stand alone building in moore, so what shopping enter would they be moving to? there isnt anything panned in stonfe for another large shopping center to be built in moore, except for the target store.. I dont see toysrus leaving the crossroads mall area anytime soon to move to moore

Quoting this so you can't deny being a liar. He never said that he is working there.

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What on earth am I lying about?

You are just upset because you were so gullible and taken in by his line of crap about his dreams and his claims about 3rd and 4th party rumors supposedly from security guards and retail assistant managers about Crossroads.

Not to mention the fact that ALL of the buildings on that portion of the frontage road will be taken out for the new interchange. So Best Buy, the hotels, Texas Roadhouse...they're all going. The Theater is far enough away that I think it's staying, but the other stuff that butts up to the north bound ramp....they're gonna be outta here.

Best Buy - if they move to the old CC, you'll see a downsize. That shows something about how the sales in that store have gone down since the MWC and Moore stores opened.

Thunder - how quickly you've gone from saying Crossroads was alive again to being the first in line to kill her off.

I thought the interchange plan perserved those buildings? I remember people complaining about how they were keeping two leafs of the clover.

Regarding Bestbuy, I think its more then just MWC and Moore stores taking away business. Bestbuy sales were down this holiday season. This is due partly to fact that the economy is down, but it could also be due to people relying less on brick and mortar stores. It makes sense for Bestbuy to downsize.

I thought the interchange plan perserved those buildings? I remember people complaining about how they were keeping two leafs of the clover.

Regarding Bestbuy, I think its more then just MWC and Moore stores taking away business. Bestbuy sales were down this holiday season. This is due partly to fact that the economy is down, but it could also be due to people relying less on brick and mortar stores. It makes sense for Bestbuy to downsize.

This holidays season have not even started yet. We just got done with the last season.

These days, more is online, and then after we're all dead, people will be able to use replicators. :-O

This holidays season have not even started yet. We just got done with the last season.

These days, more is online, and then after we're all dead, people will be able to use replicators. :-O

Ok, Last years sales were down.

Not to mention the fact that ALL of the buildings on that portion of the frontage road will be taken out for the new interchange. So Best Buy, the hotels, Texas Roadhouse...they're all going. The Theater is far enough away that I think it's staying, but the other stuff that butts up to the north bound ramp....they're gonna be outta here.

Best Buy - if they move to the old CC, you'll see a downsize. That shows something about how the sales in that store have gone down since the MWC and Moore stores opened.

Thunder - how quickly you've gone from saying Crossroads was alive again to being the first in line to kill her off.

BestBuy is not condensing due to sales in the MWC or other area, but in response to a corporate revamp of their stores. Nationwide, they're moving away from the larger stores to smaller ones with less overhead. Someone, don't recall who, had said some time ago they were planning to move into the CC location on I-240. Don't know why it didn't happen.

The Interchange project, as discussed in another thread, is still something on the order of eight years away from seeing the first pile of dirt turned (unfortunately), so it isn't a pressing concern - especially if you're only leasing the property. Also, I think some of the details on how that interchange is going to be built have changed, so some of the buildings previously thought to be on the chopping block may not be. One that I know changed was the Home Depot there on Shields. Supposedly, Depot was in the construction area, and had negotiated a deal to build a new store in the parking lot of the Walnut Square center west of Penn on I-240, but when the changes to the interchange planned happened, they found their original site plan was no longer affected, and the deal for the new location was scotched...

BestBuy is not condensing due to sales in the MWC or other area, but in response to a corporate revamp of their stores. Nationwide, they're moving away from the larger stores to smaller ones with less overhead. Someone, don't recall who, had said some time ago they were planning to move into the CC location on I-240. Don't know why it didn't happen.


SoonerDave, It's happening now - they just announced it last week. What I didn't catch is the time-frame they plan to make the move. Does anyone know?

Not to mention the fact that ALL of the buildings on that portion of the frontage road will be taken out for the new interchange. So Best Buy, the hotels, Texas Roadhouse...they're all going. The Theater is far enough away that I think it's staying, but the other stuff that butts up to the north bound ramp....they're gonna be outta here.

Best Buy - if they move to the old CC, you'll see a downsize. That shows something about how the sales in that store have gone down since the MWC and Moore stores opened.

Thunder - how quickly you've gone from saying Crossroads was alive again to being the first in line to kill her off.

This is absolutely, 1000% FALSE, you need to find a better, more reliable source.

My wife works at that Texas Road House and she has heard nothing of them moving. I am very skeptical of this considering they are booming.

Not to mention the fact that ALL of the buildings on that portion of the frontage road will be taken out for the new interchange. So Best Buy, the hotels, Texas Roadhouse...they're all going. The Theater is far enough away that I think it's staying, but the other stuff that butts up to the north bound ramp....they're gonna be outta here.


This was posted by ODOT during the whole Pole road fight with Crossroads Mall. It is only the frontage road that is removed. The mall circulation road becomes the new frontage road or the "zombie sanctuary road" by the time ODOT gets around to building the new interchange. LOL I wonder if ODOT will go back to their original plans to close Pole road if there's no Mall left to complain? http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/meetings/a2005/050609/i35-i240aerial.pdf

Well i'm glad if they decided to keep the buildings, but they really did screw up the plans if that's the current one. In case ODOT missed it, the traffice from eastbound 240 to Northbound 35 backs up pretty bad too (not as bad as southbound 35, but the cross-merging lanes of the on/off ramp there is horrible. Maybe the fact that the clover is twice the size of the old one will help keep the amount of traffic that backs up there to a minimum though.

I can't imagine Home Depot being affected by even frontage road work though...that's just dumb on ODOT's part. There's plenty land there for a frontage and the highway and home depot. But I guess that's a mute point now anyway.

Five of nine parcels at Crossroads Mall, in the Federal Reserve's possession after the 2008 Wall Street financial collapse, are back in private hands, mostly at bargain prices.



Read more: http://newsok.com/fed-selling-crossroads-mall-piece-by-piece/article/3541465#ixzz1ECjbNtL7



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The Best Buy and the Tires Plus were the only stores that were going to have to be torn down because they are in the safety zone just like the former Ford Dealership. The Hotels and Texas Roadhouse will stay there.

With AMC not doing so well these days I predict the movie theater will likely close when Best Buy and Toys R Us leaves. That will likely lead to Texas Roadhouse relocating or closing. The hotels will likely stay they are visable from the Interstates. not to mention,people visiting patients at Southwest Medical Center and Oklahoma Heart Hospital most likely keep the hotels busy.

On a another note, I walked through Crossroads with the wife back at Christmas. The only stores with any real activity were Bath & Bodyworks and Champs. Champs had the more employees running around then anything else. They were likely there for loss prevention because only one other customer was in the store. The remaining stores were doing poorly. I seen more people playing on there phones than working.

It was kind of depressing. It felt more like a community center/flea market then a mall. The mall has rented out to various clubs and mom and pop vendors selling junk. The nicest place out there was the day spa which looked like somebody disected out of Penn Square and put it in there. I am willing to bet the owner of the place is kicking themselves because nobody was in there and the employees looked like they were dying for customer to come inside.

I am wondering how much longer they will hold out. I just cannot see them going the Heritage Park Mall route and keeping the mall open for mall walkers and a few stores until the rent proceeds fall short of the utility bills.

It's the dieing cow that just won't die. There really isn't any reason to keep the place open. Like oneforone said, it won't be long before the rent doesn't keep up with the utilities. Mom and Pop places never last in malls, and they are generally the #1 sign that a place is on its way out.

The only thing that bugs me about Crossroads closing is the building itself and some of the surrounding structures. Once it goes, you're going to see several of the surrounding businesses close and what are we going to be left with? A full 1/4 square of closed abandoned buildings. I wouldn't put any confidence in the hotels staying open either. There are plenty off of 240 just a mile down the road, or up in MWC that can support the Heart Hospital. But that place doesn't exactlly draw a lot of hotel stayers. Typically, you have 1 person stay in the room with the patient and then you have visitors. People don't tend to use hotels for stays like that because it just adds to the cost (and fast). And the number left over can't fill 2 hotels. I doubt their occupancy went up much when the place opened.

wonder howa flea market would do inside crossroads, kinda like a indoor traders village like they have in dallas and houston!

The internet is absolutely littered with stories like this:

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/theskyline/2010/06/with-a-central-dome-that-resembled-a-flying-saucer-the-three-legged-mall-that-opened-in-northwest-suburban-mount-prospect-in.html

The Best Buy and the Tires Plus were the only stores that were going to have to be torn down because they are in the safety zone just like the former Ford Dealership. The Hotels and Texas Roadhouse will stay there.

With AMC not doing so well these days I predict the movie theater will likely close when Best Buy and Toys R Us leaves. That will likely lead to Texas Roadhouse relocating or closing. The hotels will likely stay they are visable from the Interstates. not to mention,people visiting patients at Southwest Medical Center and Oklahoma Heart Hospital most likely keep the hotels busy.



You've kinda lost me on at least some of that logic. Neither Toys'R'Us nor BestBuy is dependent upon traffic from the theater. Also, I thought someone else had posted that the proposed Toys'R'Us in Moore fell through, so the movement/closure of the Crossroads location is no longer imminent (?). I do wonder how that AMC survives with the Warren in Moore not even five minutes south.

I could see how Roadhouse might be affected by the theater, but when I go there on the occasional Friday/Saturday evening or Sunday lunchtime, the place is packed and there is often a wait. Have a hard time thinking the theater is impacting it *that* much.

The mall, despite its rather sparse population, is still something like 1/3 occupied even in spite of the absence of anchors, so I don't think shuttering is imminent just yet...

wonder howa flea market would do inside crossroads, kinda like a indoor traders village like they have in dallas and houston!

That actually wouldn't be a bad idea.

If Old Paris Flea Market was to buy the whole mall, or at least an anchor, then BINGO. I'm positive that Old Paris will bring Crossroads back to life and it will be a benefit to them for having a much nicer place to shop. They can sell the entire current property to the evil school next door and move into Crossroads as an anchor.

Old Paris Flea Market is extremely high traffic. They can even open 7 days a week now by relocating to Crossroads. More business for them and when businesses see a traffic increase at the mall, they will move in. Then we may see a national retailer or two taking up other anchor spaces.

With all the other retail in the city, and some possibility of still more, it seems like one of the few ways to revitalize the current structure would be to allow cassino's to move into the anchor locations.

They ought to sell the whole thing to a tribe and turn the entire structure into a combo casino, hotel, restaurant mixed use complex.

They ought to sell the whole thing to a tribe and turn the entire structure into a combo casino, hotel, restaurant mixed use complex.

I can not see how they can turn part of the place into a hotel. That would be terrible to install so much pipelines...toilets...the list goes on and on.

I can not see how they can turn part of the place into a hotel. That would be terrible to install so much pipelines...toilets...the list goes on and on.

It's called purple primer, PVC cement, and PVC pipe.

They ought to sell the whole thing to a tribe and turn the entire structure into a combo casino, hotel, restaurant mixed use complex.

That would be an awesome destination venue - if you build it, they will come! Of course, they'd have to get it into tribal trust land first - in Oklahoma, that's usually not much of a stretch.

That would be an awesome destination venue - if you build it, they will come!

Yeah, that's always been the motto of Crossroads and Crossroads-like projects...

How about some realization that, 40-50 years later, Crossroads was just a really dumb idea.

If Old Paris Flea Market was to buy the whole mall, or at least an anchor, then BINGO. I'm positive that Old Paris will bring Crossroads back to life and it will be a benefit to them for having a much nicer place to shop. They can sell the entire current property to the evil school next door and move into Crossroads as an anchor.

Old Paris Flea Market is extremely high traffic. They can even open 7 days a week now by relocating to Crossroads. More business for them and when businesses see a traffic increase at the mall, they will move in. Then we may see a national retailer or two taking up other anchor spaces.

Pretty sure a read a while back (a year or two ago) that the "evil school" was using eminent domain to secure that property (if I'm not mixing it up with something else). The anchor stores are for sale (along with the mall itself) in a recent Oklahoman article (where it listed some of the outlying properties that had been sold)

Pretty sure a read a while back (a year or two ago) that the "evil school" was using eminent domain to secure that property (if I'm not mixing it up with something else). The anchor stores are for sale (along with the mall itself) in a recent Oklahoman article (where it listed some of the outlying properties that had been sold)

Yeah, another reason to hate that school. Its private property (with the stupid fences surrounding it) and they had no right to try the eminent domain crap. They tried, but failed. Old Paris and a bunch of people fought them, but Old Paris did give them a portion of the parking lot to get them to stop whining.

I think Old Paris should take the opportunity to make an offer to the evil school to sell the property and move into the old Dillard's building. The 3rd floor can be used for office space. It will be a major success as all that traffic will be going into the mall.

Yeah, another reason to hate that school. Its private property (with the stupid fences surrounding it) and they had no right to try the eminent domain crap. They tried, but failed. Old Paris and a bunch of people fought them, but Old Paris did give them a portion of the parking lot to get them to stop whining.

I think Old Paris should take the opportunity to make an offer to the evil school to sell the property and move into the old Dillard's building. The 3rd floor can be used for office space. It will be a major success as all that traffic will be going into the mall.

They could also move to the old Penney's building and have 200,000 square feet of space.

Thunder;

Thanks for the info, hadn't heard that. I thought Dillards was putting in a Clearance store in their space?

Thunder;

Thanks for the info, hadn't heard that. I thought Dillards was putting in a Clearance store in their space?

I haven't seen that happen. :-/

Sorry, I'd let the school have their way over a flea market, but anyway...

A casino would be a great venture there! With the amount of room there is inside, you could also put in a small amusement park like Mall of America (but on a smaller scale). Think about how much floor space there is if you were to knock down the walls of each store...it's a HUGE footprint....and the current walkways don't have to stay either. Plus turning something like Dillards into a hotel would be fairly easy. If you're worried about windows and utilities, just look at Sheppard mall to see how that can be done. Or just tear down one of the anchors and build a new hotel there on your own so it's attached to the casino. The building isn't in bad shape so there are so many possibilities...and the location isn't terrible either. It's just soooo big, it's hard to fill the thing.

Now the trouble you face with the casino....it's not tribal land. And, if I remember how the law works, it has to be tribal trust land for them to be able to open a casino on it. Meaning, they can't just buy up a plot of land somewhere and throw in a casino. Although I don't really understand how Remington Park is able to be a full casino then since it wasn't trust land, the tribe just bought the place in a business deal.

I'd really rather see Crossroads with closed doors than a flea market take over though. If they want to fill in an anchor with one, fine, go to the old Wards since Steve and Barry's put in all that laminate floor. At least it's already floored and has wide open flooring. But (hopefully) our market isn't so bad that we would support a market that large.

Something that I think would be interesting to think about would be a medical center. We're seeing smaller facilties going up like the new Integris Edmond and the St Anthony EOC and NW. Or maybe shove some of that aerospace work out there.

Or just blow the place up.

Honestly, I don't see Old Paris going anywhere. They will use that building until the day a tornado hits or the building falls apart. (after all it's at least or almost 50 years old).

Honestly, I think the best option for Crossroads is an Escape From New York Style prison. After all DOC could use the space.

The best thing would be a property tax paying entity that provided employment and what the public wants.

Thunder;

Thanks for the info, hadn't heard that. I thought Dillards was putting in a Clearance store in their space?

Yeah, I wonder what happened to the "OKC Market Center" lol...

Yeah, I wonder what happened to the "OKC Market Center" lol...

My guess that it had something to do with OKC. Maybe the permit fell through or something. There was sure concrete evidence of that plan, but it fell apart. Maybe they did not secure enough financing or something.

It can tell you right now what the issue is, was and will be. They want too much money for the mall. I think there is some serious mechanical or engineering issues. It could also be the fact that anchors buildings are owned by diffrent people. Anybody with money to purchase would most likely want the mall as a whole not just part of it. Otherwise, the mall would have sold a long time and it would be in use as a shopping center or some other purpose.

The strip clubs in Valley Brook need more space. I suppose they could turn Crossroads Mall into a mega strip club. Would fit well in the area.

I saw this and it reminded me of Crossroads Mall.

http://www.pbs.org/pov/utopia/

Looks to me like another China failure story. They build and try to force something that the market doesn't need, and it sits empty. It doesn't compare to Mall of America either. MOA is an entirely indoors single structure. This mall is a "center" of multiple buildings...totally different. It's more like it's own district rather than a mall. They, like so many of China's "grand" plans, tried to create an entire district but had no need for it. "We have the cash, so let'd build it anyway no matter the cost".

Much like the residential areas nearby, just becuase you will it, doesn't mean they will come. Only way you'll see that happen is if you see the government force more of the rural residents into the area. The false migration the government has forced has exploded urban populations, but many of them don't want to be there. The mall is a perfect example.....and it would NEVER have been built in the US. Market based capitalism has it's advantages in paying attention to what will survive and what won't.

Anyone notice that the dirty water for the mall flows into the canal? So they clean it out daily. Nothing like smelling crap while you shop.

Best Buy just announced it is leaving its pad site by Crossroads and moving up the road to an empty Circuit City.

Hearing now that they may just close the Crossroads store down altogether. . .

Hearing now that they may just close the Crossroads store down altogether. . .

Bout time!

Hearing now that they may just close the Crossroads store down altogether. . .

Hi, Matt.
Where did you here that? More info, please!

Hi, Matt.
Where did you here that? More info, please!

From someone in a position that would know, that has no reason to lie about it.

Not trying to be coy but that's about as specific as I'm gonna get - hope you understand.