If it goes south, it's going south because others want it to go south.

Do you mean like, Moore, or Norman? I'm confused..


Humans don't have to act stupid if they don't want to. They just choose to.

Oh, you meant Moore.


Pitiful... I dare this thread to get locked. I want to see the bias here.

You're daring Pete to lock this thread? How is that bias? He locked your first dumb thread. I actually think it would be very fair for him to lock your second thread and ban you for good. I would if this was on my old forums.

I want to see the bias here.

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White Lines (Don't Don't Do It)

Hey, stop fighting. We should be discussing the mall here. The holidays is fast approaching and we should be talking about what is happening inside that huge building.

I take it that the group that did the haunted house stuff last year did not come back this year.

The holidays is..

The holidays is..

You should know that Christmas is just right around the corner. Some people are actually shopping for it. November is just a few weeks away. Businesses should actually start setting up in full gear right now. Crossroads have a lot of available spaces.

Do you mean like, Moore, or Norman? I'm confused..



Oh, you meant Moore.



You're daring Pete to lock this thread? How is that bias? He locked your first dumb thread. I actually think it would be very fair for him to lock your second thread and ban you for good. I would if this was on my old forums.

Well seeing as he is allowing what seems like children on this forum, to come and call people names for making their own threads, with discussion about the mall (wouldn't be the first time), and he isn't modding them, but closing my thread, which had info, but others derailed it; I can see where bias is involved.

That makes this forum look very un-professional.

I can see why you would ban people on your forum. You probably like feeling the power between your legs. You probably hoarde forums almost 24/7, having nothing better to do in life. Plus I can sense your bitterness a mile away? So, duh? The writing's on the wall.

Most people here lately have been about personal attacks and lame cutdowns, with little done by the admins. Well they have done something. They locked a thread with info and discussion that took a left down retard central when it got down to name calling, calling people liars, and all types of other stupidity.

But hey... I guess some here have nothing better to do in life. I pity those people... I really do.

They locked a thread with info and discussion that took a left down retard central
Never go full retard
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Well seeing as he is allowing what seems like children on this forum, to come and call people names for making their own threads, with discussion about the mall (wouldn't be the first time), and he isn't modding them, but closing my thread, which had info, but others derailed it; I can see where bias is involved.

That makes this forum look very un-professional.

I can see why you would ban people on your forum. You probably like feeling the power between your legs. You probably hoarde forums almost 24/7, having nothing better to do in life. Plus I can sense your bitterness a mile away? So, duh? The writing's on the wall.

Most people here lately have been about personal attacks and lame cutdowns, with little done by the admins. Well they have done something. They locked a thread with info and discussion that took a left down retard central when it got down to name calling, calling people liars, and all types of other stupidity.

But hey... I guess some here have nothing better to do in life. I pity those people... I really do.

I LOL'd @ at every sentence. Especially: "You probably like feeling the power between your legs."

I LOL'd @ at every sentence. Especially: "You probably like feeling the power between your legs."

I like this one


You probably hoarde(sic) forums almost 24/7, having nothing better to do in life.

So Spartan, where is your secret stash of forums? Why can't you share?

I LOL'd @ at every sentence. Especially: "You probably like feeling the power between your legs."

Glad I got ya to laugh... Otherwise you may continue to give yourself an ulcer as you nosebleed all over the PC, because I'm saying things in my other thread, that you didn't agree with.

inbeforeilold@everysentence.

Seriously though, all the haters here calling names, remind me of this -

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Skip to 6:08 for my example.

Some people here needs a hug?

I like this one



So Spartan, where is your secret stash of forums? Why can't you share?

Well, I guess I just decided it was no longer worth the headaches of keeping it up when the only threads basically consisted of you trying to start flame wars in every OKC thread.. (I kid..but not really)

Can you both stop before Pete get excited to close this topic? Just get real and talk about the mall.

The haunted house was a fund raiser for south side chamber. I was told it would not be there this year. As for new stores whether or not they come, I plan on doing some shopping at Crossroads. Has anyone checked out the new Kickboxing Gym there? (Eagles Wings) Second level by the old JC Pennys.

The haunted house was a fund raiser for south side chamber. I was told it would not be there this year. As for new stores whether or not they come, I plan on doing some shopping at Crossroads. Has anyone checked out the new Kickboxing Gym there? (Eagles Wings) Second level by the old JC Pennys.

I haven't.

I will say that I'm no longer afraid to go to the mall due to painful memories, while seeing the mall in its current form, since I know better days are surely coming. I do wish that the mall would get a food court (I only mention that because this market center is actually open to the public), or at least be filled with some high end stores that northside, Moore, and the Quail area are populated with.

Then again, I could see the mall not getting a food court, but possibly the property surrouding the mall being bought in order to create new retail and dining oppurtunities.

Only time will tell.

EDIT: I never went into the haunted house at Crossroads, but wasn't it in the old Picadilly Cafeteria location?

Not sure how the mall can have a food court like PSM have. The shape of the inside building is different and in the center is circular. There would have to be restaurants surrounding the center and that will require relocation of some current businesses. Would people prefer having restaurants on both floors or one?

But I do like how places are scattered around the mall rather than having to walk toward a specific location.

You know it seems to me they will need a larger food court afterall what they have is not large enough to handle large crowds.

Whatever else CR may or may not have .... they gots a larger number on their

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sign than PSQ has on theirs.

Of course, that is subject to change. After all, zombie muzzleloader season opens in a few hours.

Well, I guess I just decided it was no longer worth the headaches of keeping it up when the only threads basically consisted of you trying to start flame wars in every OKC thread.. (I kid..but not really)

Yes, I'm sure it was me, Mr "Sooner and Rice Grad" (who was neither), supposedly working I think it was as a mental health professional at some hospital? Did you not at some point claim to be an African American middled aged man? Your lies were constant and weak and you've been booted from many forums. What did happen so recently at Skyscrapercity? I see you have been removed from there in the last couple of months? I can find examples of you shoveling crap just as ridiculous at Mega has with Crossroads, do you really need me to do it and embarrass you here?

Sweet Dreams kiddo.

Swake2

Do you have Spartan confused with someone else (with the multiple identities, banning etc)? I have only seen him post as Spartan and by his real name Nick Roberts here and over in his blog. He has spoken before the City Council and the BOA (?) concerning the SandRidge fiasco. No need for him to make up aliases changing his race, career etc.

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Swake2

Do you have Spartan confused with someone else (with the multiple identities, banning etc)? I have only seen him post as Spartan and by his real name Nick Roberts here and over in his blog. He has spoken before the City Council and the BOA (?) concerning the SandRidge fiasco. No need for him to make up aliases changing his race, career etc.

No, I am not remotely confused over who Spartan is/was. Look, I have been on this site from the very beginning when Patrick was the person that posted at least half of all the posts on this site. I have the moniker Swake2 only because I left years ago for quite a while and killed my user account because there was a period where where several posters, such as the former Mr Anderson, made the whole site into a pretty racist and very homophobic place, it was really ugly and I left for a time.

Spartan was young, I think in high school, and he attempted to hide it. He's had other monikers too, but his most common one on several sites including TulsaNow was Sooner and Rice Grad or some variant there of. His personality today on this site is very different from how he used to be here, and is very different from how he is on other sites. He was/is bombastic, sarcastic and a big time flame thrower who often place very lose with facts and who delights in starting online battles over crap. This is still true, he's just recently been banned from Skyscrapercity. It's a site I really don't post on, but that I read from time to time. I don't know what specifically got him banned there, but he was a constant jerk on that site and it doesn't surprise me.

At one point when he and Midtowner were banned from here he started his own competitive site, I think it was called Oktalk or something like that. He even asked me at one point to be a moderator on the site but I declined. I could not stand that site, it was very much all about his ego and his desire to constantly flame bait so I would regularly take him down a notch, facts were not, and still often are not his friend.

He and I go way back in an online sense, I am the one that outed him on TulsaNow for not being a Sooner and Rice grad, which he had long claimed, and for not being a mental health professional. But that was a years ago. He has grown up since, but only somewhat.

Good thing you have been able to move on in life, mot hold a grudge, and free yourself from Spartan's power.

You know it seems to me they will need a larger food court afterall what they have is not large enough to handle large crowds.

Here is an idea for you and Thunder... I could see a food court going into one side of the mall.

Let's say for instance two anchor stores are only open for trade shows, etc, then have a food court be a number of stores around those anchors, or even around the anchor stores that are open to consumers.

I don't think, however, the food court, or in this case, a bunch of eateries grouped together, would look good near the old Steve and Barry's store, because there is a mall entrance near there, down a hallway, which would make all of the eateries look out of place around there.

I could totally see the stores downstairs, near Penny's, being used as a food court. It has a nice round shape, whereas the other anchor store locations are mostly narrow. The old Garfields could even be used in some capacity, as well as the arcade, the old Hobby Shop, etc.

Of course if any renovation needed to be done to make it look and feel more like a food court, whoever owns the mall could do that.

One thing I've noticed about Crossroads, is that it is a traditional mall. In other words, the stores are deeper, instead of wider, like I see some stores being now adays in other malls. The new mall owners could even shave off the stores, freeing more room in the mall, thus making for more walking room inside the mall itself.

That mall has endless possibilities in how it could look, if it were more modernized. Now that I think about it though, I could see any type of food court, being around the penny's area.

When you think about it, CRM is huge.

CRM is huge the largest mall in Oklahoma. One thing about it who ever buys it will have no choice but to sink remodel money into it.
I bet the food court is enlarged, but there are other eateries located throughout the mall. I can"t see them clearing them out.

I hope they do something about the lighting; the railing; the restrooms ect... Does anyone have any thoughts on what needs updating out there:):):)

On a softer note. One should consider starting a thread about CRM where they can have goofy discussions all day long about CRM. No more bashing; zombie talk or anything that risk shutting down this thread. This being said in a soft tone...

swake, I'd advise against forever judging someone for what they did as a kid. Good lord, I wouldn't want to be judged for what I did.

At one point when he and Midtowner were banned from here he started his own competitive site, I think it was called Oktalk or something like that.

No reason to drag me into this. And this statement isn't quite accurate. It's water under the bridge though. This stuff has no bearing on today.

If Spartan was indeed a high school kid at the time, then forgive and forget. If you or I had to be held accountable for the dumb things we did in high school, I'm willing to imagine there'd be hell to pay.

On the CRM subject, I'd advocate that this thread be shut down if the two folks who keep offering new tidbits of information can't offer something substantive, i.e., provable, rather than something a security guard allegedly heard from some unknown person and later relayed to a Toys-R-Us clerk, who later relayed it to the internet.

CRM is huge the largest mall in Oklahoma. One thing about it who ever buys it will have no choice but to sink remodel money into it.
I bet the food court is enlarged, but there are other eateries located throughout the mall. I can"t see them clearing them out.

I hope they do something about the lighting; the railing; the restrooms ect... Does anyone have any thoughts on what needs updating out there:):):)

The floors first off... Definately the floors.

The cracked floors of CRM have been there since 1974, when the doors first opened. Whoever the owners are, need to invest in modernizing the floors. If the owners look at the middle of CRM, where they put the new brick down, and it's like a beige coloring, they could use that as a basis for what the mall should look like. I like the look of the middle of the mall in terms of design, so they need to put that throughout.

A larger food court, on top of what I've been thinking of, can only be a good thing. The more the merrier.

I'd love to see some stores on the other sides of the city, come to the mall. Lego Store would rock. Hollister, Buckle, A&F, stores like that, would be awesome, but it could just be wishful thinking. Who knows...

I think things are going to get better, before they get worse. That's all I think for now.

On the CRM subject, I'd advocate that this thread be shut down if the two folks who keep offering new tidbits of information can't offer something substantive, i.e., provable, rather than something a security guard allegedly heard from some unknown person and later relayed to a Toys-R-Us clerk, who later relayed it to the internet.

Now I am honestly curious Midtowner do you have any thoughts on remodel construction YOU would like to see at CRM?

On the CRM subject, I'd advocate that this thread be shut down if the two folks who keep offering new tidbits of information can't offer something substantive, i.e., provable, rather than something a security guard allegedly heard from some unknown person and later relayed to a Toys-R-Us clerk, who later relayed it to the internet.

Are we offering information, or just talking about what we'd like to see in the mall? I'd guess the latter.

We're not about offering info anymore. Now we're just "discussing" the mall.

Feel free to join in the discussion or avoid this thread like the plague. Same goes for anyone else. I'm fine with just chatting it up with Thunder and Lovokc about the mall.

I wanted to add, Lovokc, that I wouldn't mind the style of floors I saw in my dreams, mixed with the style of brick the mall used for the middle section of the mall, where the kid area is.

If they did do a white-ish flooring with that color brick, I would take out the black marble I saw on the white floors in my dream.

When I think about it.. That would make the mall look very fancy.

You know ironically the floors are considered to be quite fashionable today as the are It shocked me to learn this was the rave with designers.

You know ironically the floors are considered to be quite fashionable today as the are It shocked me to learn this was the rave with designers.

WHAT! You kiddin' me?

So people like dark brown?

If that's the case, they should at least redo the flooring, so cracks aren't everywhere.

I will say though, that lately I had a few dreams about the mall again. These dreams had the mall looking totally different. It looked modern (and I may have mentioned this before in another post), but still had brown floors... Get this, though... it also had brown walls.

I knew it was the inside of Crossroads, because I recognized every bit of it. Funny thing is, it looked very high tech inside. In one of the dreams I remember looking at the walls, I noticed a lot of brown, then went down the escalator near where KB Toys used to be (there's some music shop up there now).

Two other dreams had the mall looking the same.

I love dreaming sometimes. Who knows which dreams the future Crossroads will follow, but in my dreams, the mall is very much in a healthy status.

I could see the brick around the kid area, mixing with brown floors I guess. It's almost like the flooring in the mall now. Brown, with a beige strip.

We're not about offering info anymore. Now we're just "discussing" the mall.

What's to discuss? It's functionally dead until they can get some anchors. Some stores might remain, but the owners, whoever they turn out to be, will have their work cut out for them. It isn't a complex solution, it'll just require a lot of money, and now that the area surrounding the Harkins in Moore has taken off, I think you're going to have a very hard time attracting the foot traffic. I suppose you could frame the discussion in terms of specifics--they need a menagerie, a rollercoaster, an ice-skating rink, a unicorn and a puppy, but that's just silly.

It's really simple--remodel, anchors, small stores will follow, mall will be fine. Until that? Nothing significant will happen until the wrecking ball comes.

No, I am not remotely confused over who Spartan is/was. Look, I have been on this site from the very beginning when Patrick was the person that posted at least half of all the posts on this site. I have the moniker Swake2 only because I left years ago for quite a while and killed my user account because there was a period where where several posters, such as the former Mr Anderson, made the whole site into a pretty racist and very homophobic place, it was really ugly and I left for a time.

Spartan was young, I think in high school, and he attempted to hide it. He's had other monikers too, but his most common one on several sites including TulsaNow was Sooner and Rice Grad or some variant there of. His personality today on this site is very different from how he used to be here, and is very different from how he is on other sites. He was/is bombastic, sarcastic and a big time flame thrower who often place very lose with facts and who delights in starting online battles over crap. This is still true, he's just recently been banned from Skyscrapercity. It's a site I really don't post on, but that I read from time to time. I don't know what specifically got him banned there, but he was a constant jerk on that site and it doesn't surprise me.

At one point when he and Midtowner were banned from here he started his own competitive site, I think it was called Oktalk or something like that. He even asked me at one point to be a moderator on the site but I declined. I could not stand that site, it was very much all about his ego and his desire to constantly flame bait so I would regularly take him down a notch, facts were not, and still often are not his friend.

He and I go way back in an online sense, I am the one that outed him on TulsaNow for not being a Sooner and Rice grad, which he had long claimed, and for not being a mental health professional. But that was a years ago. He has grown up since, but only somewhat.

Long post self-deleted again. Not going to stoop to your level, not going to be flame-baited by you.

By the way, do you really enjoy holding onto whatever argument I bested you in 7-8 years ago? I was like 13 at the time. I hope you realize that. You always used to say I was probably in high school, but you were giving me too much credit, actually.

In light of the nonsense people constantly throw at me, I don't blame anyone today if they make up a fake identity. Evidently it matters on these online boards who you are, how old you are, and how credible you are? I only threw my real self out there because I decided I wanted to be involved for real, in person. This online stuff is a farce.

Oh swake..
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What's to discuss? It's functionally dead until they can get some anchors. Some stores might remain, but the owners, whoever they turn out to be, will have their work cut out for them. It isn't a complex solution, it'll just require a lot of money, and now that the area surrounding the Harkins in Moore has taken off, I think you're going to have a very hard time attracting the foot traffic. I suppose you could frame the discussion in terms of specifics--they need a menagerie, a rollercoaster, an ice-skating rink, a unicorn and a puppy, but that's just silly.

It's really simple--remodel, anchors, small stores will follow, mall will be fine. Until that? Nothing significant will happen until the wrecking ball comes.

I would not doubt that discussions are being watched by those who have future interest in CRM. Seems to me they would have someone checking out post on this topic. I hope some of the positive comments will be useful to them from a consumer view. We consumers have not because we ask not. The website they had showed a totally different business concept that OKC has ever thought about seeing.

Megax11, would you believe the cracks are in too? Blew me away when I heard that part, not so much the color.

The kind of flooring in the mall is the latest trend by Walmart in their new stores. It is easier to clean and easier on the eyes (it helps absorb the bright light and the excessive white shelves). But for the mall, I would say to liven it up with marble floors and glass railings. Not sure if they can completely remove it all or apply atop.

I believe it was a mistake to remove the fountain. They could have just made it smaller and apply upgrades to appearance.

I'm not sure what the issue with the lighting. I've never notice a problem. What is it that bothers some people here?

And as for the roof, leave it alone. Maybe some enhancements.

Its too dark in the mall.

I would not doubt that discussions are being watched by those who have future interest in CRM

Oh yes. People often check OKCTalk before expending millions of dollars on projects to see what Toys R Us clerks have to say about it.

Oh yes. People often check OKCTalk before expending millions of dollars on projects to see what Toys R Us clerks have to say about it.

Missed my point dude. Oh Well I tried next... Oh by the way I have seen randaok69, same gal from fb on old CRM thread and I have noticed she has checked out some of your profiles. Go and look.... have not seen her here yet.

Its too dark in the mall.

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NOT WHAT I MEANT Thats not even funny...

I'm sorry, that is funny. I doubt he was being serious.

What's to discuss? It's functionally dead until they can get some anchors. Some stores might remain, but the owners, whoever they turn out to be, will have their work cut out for them. It isn't a complex solution, it'll just require a lot of money, and now that the area surrounding the Harkins in Moore has taken off, I think you're going to have a very hard time attracting the foot traffic. I suppose you could frame the discussion in terms of specifics--they need a menagerie, a rollercoaster, an ice-skating rink, a unicorn and a puppy, but that's just silly.

It's really simple--remodel, anchors, small stores will follow, mall will be fine. Until that? Nothing significant will happen until the wrecking ball comes.

What's to discuss? What we want to, honestly.

I wonder how much an interior renovation would cost for just the floors alone?

I would not doubt that discussions are being watched by those who have future interest in CRM. Seems to me they would have someone checking out post on this topic. I hope some of the positive comments will be useful to them from a consumer view. We consumers have not because we ask not. The website they had showed a totally different business concept that OKC has ever thought about seeing.

Megax11, would you believe the cracks are in too? Blew me away when I heard that part, not so much the color.

That's crazy. I do agree about those who have interest in the mall watching over these threads.


The kind of flooring in the mall is the latest trend by Walmart in their new stores. It is easier to clean and easier on the eyes (it helps absorb the bright light and the excessive white shelves). But for the mall, I would say to liven it up with marble floors and glass railings. Not sure if they can completely remove it all or apply atop.

I believe it was a mistake to remove the fountain. They could have just made it smaller and apply upgrades to appearance.

I'm not sure what the issue with the lighting. I've never notice a problem. What is it that bothers some people here?

And as for the roof, leave it alone. Maybe some enhancements.

Glass railing would be cool. I do miss the fountain. I say redo the floors, and the brick that is in the middle of the mall, surrounding the kids area, should be spread throughout the mall.

I know it's wishful thinking, but I wouldn't mind seeing an arcade back in the mall. Hey, Quail Springs Mall has one. ANything is possible, but if it is a market center, they probably run things differently.

Only time will tell.

Missed my point dude. Oh Well I tried next... Oh by the way I have seen randaok69, same gal from fb on old CRM thread and I have noticed she has checked out some of your profiles. Go and look.... have not seen her here yet.

The plot thickens... ;)

Then again, it's really common sense. I'm sure any party who has interest in something, in a state they're testing the waters with, will try and browse public forums to gauge interest or see how the community would respond to certain news and rumors.

The plot thickens... ;)

Then again, it's really common sense. I'm sure any party who has interest in something, in a state they're testing the waters with, will try and browse public forums to gauge interest or see how the community would respond to certain news and rumors.

I have done some consulting work for companies. Before considering to locate in a new area they do have people "test the waters". My point is ideas :bright_id are worth money. So lets quite bs ing here and talk! :gossip:

South Oklahoma City leaders lament loss of tax base
As Crossroads Mall has struggled, many retailers have relocated south to Moore.


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South Oklahoma City leaders lament loss of tax base
As Crossroads Mall has struggled, many retailers have relocated south to Moore.


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Interesting that Toys R Us scrapped the idea of building a Toys R Us in Moore... So much for Moore sapping southsides business.

Maybe everything happens for a reason. Maybe Moore sapping southside of its retail is what paved the way for Oklahomas first market center? Guess where that will reside? SOUTHSIDE!!!

I'll take change over the same old thing anyday, especially when it's a first. I guess southside can be honored by that feat.

I wonder if the city sees how often Moore patrons piss and moan about how crowded Moore has gotten? Moore patrons miss the roads that used to bear less traffic. I have seen them say (on these very forums in the suburb section), they wish all of those businesses weren't around there.

I guess they always say, "the grass isn't always greener on the other side."

I honestly think this is NewsOK trying to create drama out of nothing. I can't wait to see southsides future.

Traffic isn't that bad now that 19th has been widened...Sadly mistaken if you believe we don't enjoy all of the shopping, dining and having one of the best theaters in the nation within 5 minutes of the casa

Interesting that Toys R Us scrapped the idea of building a Toys R Us in Moore... So much for Moore sapping southsides business.

Maybe everything happens for a reason. Maybe Moore sapping southside of its retail is what paved the way for Oklahomas first market center? Guess where that will reside? SOUTHSIDE!!!

I'll take change over the same old thing anyday, especially when it's a first. I guess southside can be honored by that feat.

I wonder if the city sees how often Moore patrons piss and moan about how crowded Moore has gotten? Moore patrons miss the roads that used to bear less traffic. I have seen them say (on these very forums in the suburb section), they wish all of those businesses weren't around there.

I guess they always say, "the grass isn't always greener on the other side."

I honestly think this is NewsOK trying to create drama out of nothing. I can't wait to see southsides future.

Yeah and I can't stand all the damn construction downtown, either. Can Crossroads also please take all these damn lofts and skyscraper projects off of our hands?

Yeah and I can't stand all the damn construction downtown, either. Can Crossroads also please take all these damn lofts and skyscraper projects off of our hands?

Exactly... Show them who's boss. Get down there and give them a piece of mind.

I've avoided this one like a plague because I've never bought into the "you'll get shot at Crossroads" world. But I'm going to make an honest attempt at some suggestions that I think would help get Crossroads back up again.

#1 - Get rid of the stores that attract the people you don't want there. If there is a safety concern at the mall, analyze what attracts the dangerous element to the mall and remove it. Also, add some younger than 60 security to the mall....that do more than just ride around in the parking lot or sit under an escalator. I'm not pointing any fingers at any particular race/class/etc of person here, my question is generic. In my experience, the locally owned mom and pop stores are the ones that cause the issues in malls (look at Heritage before it finally closed).

#2 - Go wing by wing and start making the facelift changes that really count. Don't just paint the railings...get rid of them. When you paint like they did before, you just make it worse. They don't need lights on the railings, and the railings themselves just need to be functional. We don't have to match Penn Square in style here. In fact, right now, they could simply close off the second floor and consolidate everything to the first floor. Once it's working, open up the second floor again to more businesses.

#3 - Flooring is another part of this. The sealed concrete is NOT what people are looking for today (sorry thunder). What they want is STAINED concrete...not just sealed. Cracks are also part of a conrete floor. Anywhere that has exposed conrete will have cracks from settling, it's just part of the world of concrete. What they can do, is put a new floor down on top of it. You don't want to put tile like ceramic down for many reasons. One being the fact that it would raise the height of the flooring and the transitions into each store would be a tripping point...even with thresholds. Another being ceramic cracks under heavy weights as well...not to mention the costs of ceramic. As cheap as it looks, a linoleum tile is probably the best choice in cost/functionality for Crossroads. They do come in varities better than what your elementary school had.

#3 - Food Court - as mentioned in this thread, a food court can be a great gathering location, but Crossroads didn't design one in. They could, however get one added. I believe it was the Macy's wind that had Chic-Fil-A and Babbages??? That wing is short and could easily be altered to pull the store fronts back so all you have is the normal food court front ordering counter. That frees up space for seating. Not to mention the area in the middle of the mall right there could also have tables.

#4 - Anchors - they aren't as important as well all like to make them out to be. We don't NEED Dillard's there. What we need is something that attracts foot traffic...but it doesn't neccessarily have to be the traditional anchor. Think outside the box, and don't assume that the store has to take the entire anchor space. Split the space into the first and second floor. Something like a Pier 1 could take a smaller floor space but then still has that outside access. Same goes for something like a Barnes and Noble, which is no where to be found on the south or east side. With so many anchors moving out of malls these days, you HAVE to look outside the box. A space as large as the Dillard's area could convert to office space and house a very large number of people.

#5 - don't screw with the ceilings though. It's a high celing building that actually feels very roomy. But it needs a lighter color paint on the inside surfaces to make it brighten up and feel less gloomy.

Failing into bankruptcy is probably the best thing for this mall. They need a chance to start over from scratch if they want to survive. And they need someone to make an honest attempt of it instead of just going cheap. And also NOT a company like Simon that will just drain the money and send it to another mall.

I'm not going to pretend that it's going to be easy...or that it would even happen, but it's a thought.

Traffic isn't that bad now that 19th has been widened...Sadly mistaken if you believe we don't enjoy all of the shopping, dining and having one of the best theaters in the nation within 5 minutes of the casa

Well I used to go out there every Monday and Wednesday to take my son to karate, the roads really haven't expanded too much. I say this because I go out there at least once a week, to visit Vintage Stock. It always feels so cluttered there.


I've avoided this one like a plague because I've never bought into the "you'll get shot at Crossroads" world. But I'm going to make an honest attempt at some suggestions that I think would help get Crossroads back up again.

#1 - Get rid of the stores that attract the people you don't want there. If there is a safety concern at the mall, analyze what attracts the dangerous element to the mall and remove it. Also, add some younger than 60 security to the mall....that do more than just ride around in the parking lot or sit under an escalator. I'm not pointing any fingers at any particular race/class/etc of person here, my question is generic. In my experience, the locally owned mom and pop stores are the ones that cause the issues in malls (look at Heritage before it finally closed).

#2 - Go wing by wing and start making the facelift changes that really count. Don't just paint the railings...get rid of them. When you paint like they did before, you just make it worse. They don't need lights on the railings, and the railings themselves just need to be functional. We don't have to match Penn Square in style here. In fact, right now, they could simply close off the second floor and consolidate everything to the first floor. Once it's working, open up the second floor again to more businesses.

#3 - Flooring is another part of this. The sealed concrete is NOT what people are looking for today (sorry thunder). What they want is STAINED concrete...not just sealed. Cracks are also part of a conrete floor. Anywhere that has exposed conrete will have cracks from settling, it's just part of the world of concrete. What they can do, is put a new floor down on top of it. You don't want to put tile like ceramic down for many reasons. One being the fact that it would raise the height of the flooring and the transitions into each store would be a tripping point...even with thresholds. Another being ceramic cracks under heavy weights as well...not to mention the costs of ceramic. As cheap as it looks, a linoleum tile is probably the best choice in cost/functionality for Crossroads. They do come in varities better than what your elementary school had.

#3 - Food Court - as mentioned in this thread, a food court can be a great gathering location, but Crossroads didn't design one in. They could, however get one added. I believe it was the Macy's wind that had Chic-Fil-A and Babbages??? That wing is short and could easily be altered to pull the store fronts back so all you have is the normal food court front ordering counter. That frees up space for seating. Not to mention the area in the middle of the mall right there could also have tables.

#4 - Anchors - they aren't as important as well all like to make them out to be. We don't NEED Dillard's there. What we need is something that attracts foot traffic...but it doesn't neccessarily have to be the traditional anchor. Think outside the box, and don't assume that the store has to take the entire anchor space. Split the space into the first and second floor. Something like a Pier 1 could take a smaller floor space but then still has that outside access. Same goes for something like a Barnes and Noble, which is no where to be found on the south or east side. With so many anchors moving out of malls these days, you HAVE to look outside the box. A space as large as the Dillard's area could convert to office space and house a very large number of people.

#5 - don't screw with the ceilings though. It's a high celing building that actually feels very roomy. But it needs a lighter color paint on the inside surfaces to make it brighten up and feel less gloomy.

Failing into bankruptcy is probably the best thing for this mall. They need a chance to start over from scratch if they want to survive. And they need someone to make an honest attempt of it instead of just going cheap. And also NOT a company like Simon that will just drain the money and send it to another mall.

I'm not going to pretend that it's going to be easy...or that it would even happen, but it's a thought.

1: I don't think it's the stores. Without stores like the Buckle, Hollister, Hot Topic, Deb, A&F, Dillards, Penny's, etc, malls can't thrive. CRM needs those stores to really attract business, and as you can see, crime is going up around Penn Square Mall. Any piece of land or area in this whole world can be subject to crime.

2: I agree about the railing. CRM could add a new style of railing that is more modern than even PSM and QSM. They don't have to imitate, when they can innovate. I don't agree with closing the second floor though. The more stores and accessibility, the better.

3: I totally agree with you on the food court matter. When I go to PSM and QSM, their food courts look very busy and have a good feel to them. I hope when CRM makes its comeback, they dedicate a section of the mall to a food court of sorts.

4: I can agree with this as well. The mall needs at least a couple of anchors (I say this for a reason), and for those anchors, they can attract any type of store. Hell, a 2 story Toys R Us inside the mall would be pretty awesome. Again, this comes down to innovating, not imitating.

5: Again, I agree. The ceilings were fine and modernized back in the 90's, so they're more new than the floors in the mall. They need to brighten the floors, which will make it feel even more roomy. I like the feel and look of CRM, but by god, the floors have to be brightened in my eyes.

I think what happened to the mall, happened for a reason. It will make a comeback. You strike some good opinions on what you would like to see.

Failing into bankruptcy is probably the best thing for this mall. They need a chance to start over from scratch if they want to survive. And they need someone to make an honest attempt of it instead of just going cheap. And also NOT a company like Simon that will just drain the money and send it to another mall.

I'm not going to pretend that it's going to be easy...or that it would even happen, but it's a thought.

That already happen, the mall is currently owned by the U.S. zombie reserve bank. (Federal Reserve) or Maiden Lane properties to be more technical about it. What the mall needs at this point is a new private owner willing to improve the mall and/or the property.

Edit: After reading what you wrote again, I think you already knew this. Sorry.

Well I was just offering some personal opinion suggestions. Obviously not a whole blueprint plan for the place, but just some ideas to toss around. I agree places like The Buckle are a good fit there. What I was reffering to are store like the "N More" sort of places. The type of places that have stuff hand on the wall and barely even look like a store....with the grafiti looking t-shirts for sale...random purses and junk. That's the sort of place I'm talking about getting rid of.

Their website doesn't have an accurate list of the store directory anymore either. I'd be curious what the real list looks like now.

Southside has the mall it deserves.

Southside has the mall it deserves.

Southside will innovate again, while others will imitate soon. It's only a matter of time.

So yes, we have the mall we deserve, if you want to call it a mall in the future.

The elitists everywhere else see southside rollin', they hatin' -

http://www.allmotivated.com/pictures/Demotivational-pictures-they_Hatin.jpg

Southside has the mall it deserves.

Why do you believe this?