So you're part of the problem then.

For the sake of my previous post... :dizzy: = Heavy Sarcasm

Well north of I-40.

Prolly Edmond.

For the sake of my previous post... :dizzy: = Heavy Sarcasm

Well north of I-40.

That could mean Nebraska.

Don't rip on an entire geographic region unless you're willing to submit your own for the rest of us to deride. Unless you can't take what you give. :dizzy:

when i use to shop at macys the employees joked saying (yeah its funny to put a macys in a ghetto mall) So i think part of the decline of the mall is the employees tat work there, a lot of them seem miserable and dont want to help.. Dont get me wrong there is couple good ones when i use to shop out there, but not many.. also I think it started declining when there was like 10 shoe stores at one time and about 3 dis-n-dat dollar marts... I still cant believe they took the water fountains out, that was the part of the mall i liked, they could have just took the ramp out and added a elevator coming down right by the fountain, which would have been really pretty, but no they had to gut it all and leave a cheep looking carpet and vender carts in that area

Hey... I dont want to drive the bus no more. I want a new gun.

I think part of what killed Crossroads and the surrounding area was the construction on I-35 back in like 2001. When that was going on, it was damn near impossible to get into the mall-- or anywhere else in the area, for that matter.

Crossroads is on life support and it'll pass on any minute now, so I think I need to go visit it one last time. I'm gonna miss it when it's gone. I've seen vintage pictures of the interior and it used to be stunning.

it would be nice to see some of those "vintage" pictures or some new ones of what it looks like now.

I didn't grow up in the city, and we used to take trips up here for school stuff and Crossroads was a big hit for us for years. Then one year the teach decided that it was too far down the drain and we started going to Quail or Penn.

That was probably in 1998 or so.

Here, I found the picture set:

Crossroads Mall - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ezeiza/sets/72057594130857626/)

Here, I found the picture set:

Crossroads Mall - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ezeiza/sets/72057594130857626/)

Just found out the other day that Payless Shoes and LeMans Speedway (well, "arcade" since they took out the bumper cars decades ago) are now closed, along with Sbarro's and Subway...I mean, gee whiz, what's left?

To the poster who commented about their having removed the fountain: Apparently it was out of practical necessity. I was told that they were having terrible problems with the "bowl" of the fountain leaking and causing all manner of problems in that center court area that apparently most of the rest of us never knew about, and it became an expensive headache to maintain. The decision was made to remove it as a result.

I live in the four corners square. I live in a far corner of it. I was smart enough at 10 years old to figure out that this area was in decline and as a matter of fact told my parents to move further south. They thought that the OKC schools were good at the time...ha. Surely my neighboorhood has been in decline yet it only have been gradual over the past 15 years. Some areas further south from where I am, such as 44th have gotten in decay obviously. I'm just here until August 24th, since i'm moving to Dallas, in the Addisson area to be exact.

I've noticed a trend with Crossroads. One theory is that people have stopped coming there because they see gangs or at least what appears to be gangs... some of these people are known as wannabees yet also they may be wearing the style and not be associated with gangs. So mix in some racism, elitism and bad management and you got a decaying mall.

Here, I found the picture set:

Crossroads Mall - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ezeiza/sets/72057594130857626/)

Any idea when those pictures were taken? I remember Crossroads in the late '90s being pretty nice but it was nothing like that. That is amazing! Its sad to see it on its last leg.

i believe they renovated the mall in '89, so it has to be before that. judging by the shops, my guess is that the pics were taken in the early to mid '80s.

this flickr album has some interesting shots in it, too... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/travischurch/303189148/in/photostream/)


-M

I looked at the comments on a couple of those photos that said the pictures were taken in 1976.

i could believe '76. -M

Oh no! The LeMans/Bally's/Aladdin's Castle/whatever is closed? That makes me sad. I used to go play DDR there. :( I always loved that they still had that vintage signage on the storefront.

The only time Crossroads look lively is during November and December. They bring out all these decorations (but a lot less than before).

I saw garlands and lights along the upper rails in the picture. I never seen it that way in person at that place.

Maybe the owners should try to apply for Extreme Makeover on ABC. lol Can you imagine the biggest hit that would be? Thousands of Oklahomans would pitch in and help knocking the whole building down and reborn Crossroads. That would be 3 or 4 hours special and for sure would be a major hit. The project would actually be 14 days instead of 7.

I have to say all this makes me quite sad.

I was 16 when that mall opened and I remember driving (what seemed like forever) to go get jeans at the Gap. At that time, the place was awe-inspiring.

Many of the stores had very open interiors and multiple levels which made some of the spaces quite unique.

Then, I worked at Orbach's all through college (early 80's) and there were lots of nicer tenants at that time. And of course, spent all my breaks at Le Mans -- wow, that's depressing that that place is closed, too.

I was born in '84 and I'm 23. I guess that I experienced the last glory days at Crossroads and Heritage Park Mall. They were lively, interesting, and fun to go to. I agree, Pete, it does make us sad and depressed to see how things come and go. We can never keep anything forever.

I love the idea of Extreme Makeover making over Crossroads. I would definitely go there to see the finished product!! I doubt they could get Macy's and JCPenney to move back in though.....

Those pics make Crossroads look like a piece of paradise. I think the first time I ever went there was when I was 11.... so probably 1994 or so. It was fun then. Not so much now.

I'd rather the Mythbusters guys just blow it up. :)

.oO(Buster and Adam star in Crossroads ... Up in Smoke)Oo.

Mythbusters are a joke. I've seen episodes and most is just wrong. There was one that they wanted to prove that if a hole is formed in a plane way high up and things flying around inside (cuz of pressure) to be false. Well, they got a plane, but it was on the ground the whole time. They did something to the pressure on the inside and shot out a window, but nothing flew around inside. They labeled it as myth. Duh! The plane is on the friggin ground, the air pressure equalized already quickly! Mythbusters have a lot of info wrong. I would say they are much worse than Dumb and Dumber duo.

That interchang rebuild can't happen too soon. IN the last six-months/year, I'd be willing to bet the frequency and severity of accidents at this interchange have spike. There was a horrible four car collision on the eastbound-I240-to-northbound-I35 ramp this morning that had traffic backed up the better part of a mile; Friday night last, there was another accident just a few hundred feet west, near Shields on the eastbound side. I was perhaps 30 second behind another horrible accident on that same stretch not two weeks ago...I-240 at that interchange is getting very, very dangerous.

All this Crossroads will close in Spring '09 stuff is silly.

These stores have leases. You don't just close a mall. It will just continue to lose more and more stores.

Since there are several "national chain" stores, they could just pull out of the mall and pay the rest of their lease off if they find it more cost effective. Look at the 600+ Starbucks that just recently closed, some of them brand new with 5 year leases, they found it cheaper to pay the 5 years of lease than to pay employees, rent, utilities, etc for 5 years compared to their projected profits or losses.

Yeah but it just doesn't happen that way.

So did Macy's and Dillards Leases expire or did they pull out with remaining terms on their leases. I guess time will tell us what will happen.

Dillards is still there.

Dillards is still there.

I was there over the weekend. Dilliards is CLOSED! Doors locked, inside all empty. It is GONE! Okay, I don't mean to cause a heart attack, just know that I'm jokin. lol

Dillards is still there.

I think they downscaled it to only one floor. It used to be 3. I bet it gets closed in the next round of closings for Dillard's.

Last time I was there, around few weeks ago, they still have all 3 floors.

I think they downscaled it to only one floor. It used to be 3. I bet it gets closed in the next round of closings for Dillard's.
I saw it for myself ... as of today still a full store with all 3 floors fully stocked.

So did Macy's and Dillards Leases expire or did they pull out with remaining terms on their leases. I guess time will tell us what will happen.

Actually, Macy's and Dillard's own/owned their buildings at Crossroads; however, Crossroads owns the JCPenney and Steve & Barry's buildings. (according to Oklahoma County Assessor) obviously I'm not totally sure, but seeing how Dillard's owns their own building and it probably wouldn't sell for much if they closed, then I would think it would stay open for a while as a "clearance center" as they do with declining stores in other areas.

jbrown is right. Like with Shepherd Mall, Crossroads will continue to dwindle. It won't close all at once. Eventually, in 10 years, someone will purchase the property for cheap, and redevelop it as something else. That's just the way real estate development works. I wouldn't be surprised to see a multi-use development concept with offices, some retail, middle-range apartments, etc.

Hey guys, just found out Dillards is closing their top floor (3rd floor) everything is clearanced to 20% on that floor only. This also means no Christmas products this year.

I have to say all this makes me quite sad.

I was 16 when that mall opened and I remember driving (what seemed like forever) to go get jeans at the Gap. At that time, the place was awe-inspiring.

Many of the stores had very open interiors and multiple levels which made some of the spaces quite unique.

Then, I worked at Orbach's all through college (early 80's) and there were lots of nicer tenants at that time. And of course, spent all my breaks at Le Mans -- wow, that's depressing that that place is closed, too.

I went to work as assistant manager of Frederick's of Hollywood on opening day. I had been working at the MWC Frederick's and was offered the Crossroad's store and a small raise. Crossroads was a beehive of activity and a fun place to work!

Funny - the biggest problem we had at Frederick's was people shoplifting crotchless panties! We lost about 2 dozen pair a month. I always wondered who would wear those things - they're darned uncomfortable!

Uh oh. If Dillard's is closing the top floor, then Crossroads only has maybe one more year left. I think I'm gonna go down there and have a look around for old times' sake.

Also, I found one guy's account of Crossroads on Deadmalls.com:

Dead Malls dot Com: Feature: Crossroads Mall: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (http://www.deadmalls.com/malls/crossroads_mall_ok.html)

He says that Crossroads actually contributed to the decline of that area. Does anyone else feel that way? I wasn't even alive yet when it was built so I'm curious.

Mythbusters are a joke. I've seen episodes and most is just wrong. There was one that they wanted to prove that if a hole is formed in a plane way high up and things flying around inside (cuz of pressure) to be false. Well, they got a plane, but it was on the ground the whole time. They did something to the pressure on the inside and shot out a window, but nothing flew around inside. They labeled it as myth. Duh! The plane is on the friggin ground, the air pressure equalized already quickly! Mythbusters have a lot of info wrong. I would say they are much worse than Dumb and Dumber duo.

Maybe you don't get it, but a plane's cabin has to be pressurized in-flight; they pressurized it on the ground to obtain a relative difference in pressure comparable to that of the inflight difference at flight altitude. At that point, aircraft altitide isn't relevant; the difference in pressure is the critical factor.

Mythbusters does a darned fine job, within the constraints of a TV show, to put a reasonably decent scientific face on many of the things they test. The problem is you get people who don't like the results they produce, and insist that their own notions are still right. Admittedly, some urban legends are more fun to hold on to...

That said, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with Crossroads :)

Uh oh. If Dillard's is closing the top floor, then Crossroads only has maybe one more year left. I think I'm gonna go down there and have a look around for old times' sake.

Also, I found one guy's account of Crossroads on Deadmalls.com:

Dead Malls dot Com: Feature: Crossroads Mall: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (http://www.deadmalls.com/malls/crossroads_mall_ok.html)

He says that Crossroads actually contributed to the decline of that area. Does anyone else feel that way? I wasn't even alive yet when it was built so I'm curious.

Nonsense observation...disagree completely. There was almost no way the developers could have predicted how the area west and north of the mall would deteriorate; but I have often wondered if Crossroads might not be in at least marginally better shape had they built somewhere on the south side of I-240 rather than the northside.

When Crossroads was built, it was an attraction unto itself that really should have invigorated development throughout that corridor. Heck, that was arguably the "east end" of town at the time; but the city grew financially more toward the southwest and south along the I-44 corridor rather than the more eastward I-240 area. At the time, there was a Leonhardt's lumberyard to the north, an OG&E facility to the south (which is still there), and that industrial overtone has hung over that area. Leonhardt's closed years and years ago, and numerous highway projects never made development of the area a very attractive project.

I suppose you could argue that Crossroads contributed to its own decline in at least a small way in that it did not make sufficient efforts to keep itself up-to-date. I think it underwent only one, perhaps two, significant remodels since it opened, and still today retains much of that original, clunky, 70's lots-of-angles and concrete floor architecture prevalent at the time. I always heard there were divided ownership groups that never agreed on how to market, upgrade, and advertise the mall, thus nothing ever got done. Don't know if that's true, but sadly, the result of the inaction is self-evident...

-David

I see. Interesting. I also wonder if maybe it'd be in better shape if the location were just slightly different, like if it had been built on the west side of I-35 instead. I guess we'll never know.

The slightly to south or the west would have made no different had the developer been visionary and built the mall ant 240 and Penn or furter then we would be looking at another Quail Springs

Uh oh. If Dillard's is closing the top floor, then Crossroads only has maybe one more year left.

Based on what? Can you name another mall that just shut down all the sudden? It never works that way. There are lots of stores left and it will continue to exist as those stores slowly let their leases expire.

thats horrible there slowly dying, my wife worked there in 1977 in dillards and it was really a classy place then. I remember a many a christmas shopping there, or should I say my wife shopping while I played in the arcade or watched the big screen across the way from it,can`t miss those football games you know.
Then there was the pretzel place, and orange julius, ferrels ice cream shop, gordons jewlery where we got our wedding rings. Lots of memories for folks there if only those walls could talk.

The slightly to south or the west would have made no different had the developer been visionary and built the mall ant 240 and Penn or furter then we would be looking at another Quail Springs

I disagree.

The northeast corner of the I-35/I-240 interchange, in retrospect, became the worst possible location for Crossroads in terms of access. An area on the opposite corner would have enjoyed buit-in access benefits and been much less adversely affected by various I-35 construction projects.

You couldn't have built a mall the size of Crossroads on the I-240 corridor, as the area was surrounded with well-established residential areas north and south.

The debate is moot, obviously.

Any confirmation that the 3rd floor is actually closing in Dillards? As in actual print information or all hearsay?

Any confirmation that the 3rd floor is actually closing in Dillards? As in actual print information or all hearsay?

I was in there this weekend, and the employees say it's true...And they've got EVERYTHING up there on clearance.

Some smokin' deals on clothes in there right now too.

Couldn't this just be a reflection of the current economy and them downsizeing some and not a direct reflection of them being at Crossroads?

Is steven berry still open there?

Hmmmm...I didn't even check.

Hmmmm...I didn't even check.


I know they have some good sweat shirts there.

At a presentation today, a member of the OKC Police Gang Task Force, identified " LA Gear" or "LA Wear", "LA Something" as a store that carries and caters to gang members in the OKC area. It was in front of said store, that the shooting occured last year, where a gang member was killed by a police officer. The dead gang dude had just shot another gang member and was about to finish him off. Maybe everybody already knew about this, but I sure didn't. I will absolutely stay clear of Crossroads from now on. Never really went much except at Christmas time anyway.

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Couldn't this just be a reflection of the current economy and them downsizeing some and not a direct reflection of them being at Crossroads?


I think some of this is a reflection of the economy. Another part the I-35 road construction a few years ago screwed up traffic to the mall. But the biggest part is the neighborhood. Stores like Burger King, the strip mall have remained vacant for years. With Macy's, Steve & Barry's, and JCPenney gone the mall is going under.

I think some of this is a reflection of the economy. Another part the I-35 road construction a few years ago screwed up traffic to the mall. But the biggest part is the neighborhood. Stores like Burger King, the strip mall have remained vacant for years. With Macy's, Steve & Barry's, and JCPenney gone the mall is going under.

Ok, First off the Burger King is currently being remodled and is reopening, It was posted in News ok .com today that STeve and Barry's is closeing the Enid store only and they are keeping the only store in OKC open which is at Crossroads. Crossroads Mall is safe to go to. It looks like the area is starting to make a slow comeback..

The area may end up making a comeback, but Crossroads won't.

I hope Steve & Barry's sticks around.

I'm glad Steve and Barry's is staying open in OKC. I love the fact I can get OU clothes for $8.98.

Today I went and noticed the arcade was closed at Crossroads. I'm sad, but at least I had made it by a few times recently before it closed. It will be sorely missed.

Does anyone know the name of that DDR game or have any recent pictures? I may take or post a picture or two if anyone's interested.

I'm glad Steve and Barry's is staying open in OKC. I love the fact I can get OU clothes for $8.98.

Yeah, only wear them for one football season. :ou2

I noticed that there is an awful lot of dead space throughout Steve & Barry's. If they continue to stay in OKC, I think they will relocate to a space that better fit's thier needs. Such as a store front space in Walnut Square, Southern Hills or 240 Penn Park. The utility bill for that size of space has to be outrageous. I am willing to bet Crossroads is leasing that space to them for a bargain basement price.

The mall management could have very easily saved that mall if they would have called up Sears and said "Make as an offer we are willing to negotiate."

Sears would have probably closed the South Western and MWC store and moved in a matter of a couple of months. Now the auto center is a Gymnastics studio and the garden center will probably take too much money to renovate.

Maerich missed the bus, the boat, the plane... you name it they screwed up big time. Now the mall is on a down hillslide to closure. The only thing that will save it now is redevelopment. I think it would make an excellent space for a new hospital the size of Baptist, a community college, a retirement village.

Better yet, something like this..... Stapleton (http://www.stapletondenver.com/)

I'm glad Steve and Barry's is staying open in OKC. I love the fact I can get OU clothes for $8.98.


AMEN- brother, I have some of the sweatshirts from 4 years ago.

Couldn't this just be a reflection of the current economy and them downsizeing some and not a direct reflection of them being at Crossroads?

No.

The mall management could have very easily saved that mall if they would have called up Sears and said "Make as an offer we are willing to negotiate."

Sears would have probably closed the South Western and MWC store and moved in a matter of a couple of months. Now the auto center is a Gymnastics studio and the garden center will probably take too much money to renovate.

Maerich missed the bus, the boat, the plane... you name it they screwed up big time. Stapleton (http://www.stapletondenver.com/)

THe story I was told was that Sears and Macerich were in works to make such a deal, but the bankruptcy of the Wards chain (who, apparently owned rather than leased the space, or if they leased it, the lease became entangled in the bankruptcy proceedings) legally blocked any disposition of the Wards space for something on the order of a year. By the time the legal issues were resolved, Sears had lost interest.

I've asked a few folks at Sears every once in a while about their future plans, any moves or closures ahead, and they tell me there aren't...but that store, to me, is in a shambles.

The mall won't close immediately, because there are too many "interior" (non-anchor) tenants, and those leases will expire at different times. The glow-in-the-dark miniature golf couse on the first floor was literally going out of business while we were there - beng dismantled. I figure that they lost the summer kid crowd to school, so they were done.

Some are determined to make a go of it out there, because the Sbarro's reopened as a generic pizza place. We were there this last weekend to take advantage of the Dillard's third-floor sale, and unfortunately the "deals" aren't as good as we'd hoped. Yes, some things are 20% off, but the problem is some of the items are higher than you'd find them at other places to begin with. They're also getting rid of the furniture; only a few assorted items remain. Saleslady told me that as soon as the merchandise is gone, the third floor will be closed off.

BTW, the place felt as safe as ever. I think I got a little caught up in some of the gangbanger hysteria that tends to go on here; we were there Sunday afternoon, the mall was surprisingly busy. That said, the west end first-floor of the mall is all-but vacant now...that's a little bit spooky, and I wouldn't opt to hang around there in the later evening. It is very sad to look at space after space and see nothing but empty after empty.....