Wichita would be a great place for the CBA.

As far as names... the NBA has a LONG history of teams NOT changing names. I made up a list once and I'll post it later.

Anyway, if we did have a chance to name a team something, I'd suggest OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDERBIRDS. Why? Because of the strong military heritage (45th, Tinker) and Indian traditions (Thunderbirds are big in various tribes), I think it would be a sensible, non-hickish name. Make the colors red/yellow after the 45th or silver/blue after the Air Force dress blues design.

That's just me, however. But the "Oklahoma City Sonics" would be fine, and you could re-image the team with a plane or something and tie in the military and get the same result. I just think "Thunderbirds" would be cool.

Oh really. Here is a list on the following site:

Old Names NBA Teams - Questions, Answers, Fun Facts, Information (http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Sports/Old-Names-NBA-Teams-11247.html).

1. Tornoto had a team in 1947 called the Huskies.

2. Charlotte/New Orleans-Oklahoma City Hornets were originally called the Spirit.

3. Chicago Packers to Baltimore/Washington Bullets to Washington Wizards.

4. Buffalo Bison to Tri Cities Blackhawks to Milwaukee-Atlanta Hawks.

5. Kansas City Larks to Denver Nuggets.

6. Detroit Gems to Minneapolis/LA Lakers.

7. Dallas Chaparells to San Antonio Spurs.

8. Ft. Wayne Zollner Pistons to Detroit Pistons.

9. Buffalo Braves to LA Clippers.

10. New Jersey Americans to New York/New Jersey Nets.

11. Syracuse Nationals to Philadelphia 76ers

12. Rochester Royals to Sacramento Kings (via Kansas City)

12 out of 30 or so teams? If this is a long history of the NBA not renaming teams, then I would like your definition of a long history of renaming teams.

Wow. I didn't realize Kansas City had already had 2 NBA teams. They don't need another one.

Larks?

:lol2:

Oh really. Here is a list on the following site:

Old Names NBA Teams - Questions, Answers, Fun Facts, Information (http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Sports/Old-Names-NBA-Teams-11247.html).

1. Tornoto had a team in 1947 called the Huskies.NO. This was before the NBA existed.


2. Charlotte/New Orleans-Oklahoma City Hornets were originally called the Spirit.NO. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. They were never officially named the Spirit.


3. Chicago Packers to Baltimore/Washington Bullets to Washington Wizards.Yes, the Bullets changed to the Wizards, but not as a result of a team move.


4. Buffalo Bison to Tri Cities Blackhawks to Milwaukee-Atlanta Hawks.Yes, name changed while in the NBA.


5. Kansas City Larks to Denver Nuggets.Again, NO. Since they joined the NBA, they've been known as the Nuggets.


6. Detroit Gems to Minneapolis/LA Lakers.NO. They've been the lakers since they've been in the NBA.


7. Dallas Chaparells to San Antonio Spurs.Again, NO. They've been the Spurs as long as they've been in the NBA.


8. Ft. Wayne Zollner Pistons to Detroit Pistons.NO. The name is the same. I don't know why you have this on this list


9. Buffalo Braves to LA Clippers.Yes, name changed while in the NBA.


10. New Jersey Americans to New York/New Jersey Nets.Again, NO. They've been the Nets as long as they have been in the NBA.


11. Syracuse Nationals to Philadelphia 76ersYes, name changed while in NBA.


12. Rochester Royals to Sacramento Kings (via Kansas City)Yes, name changed while in the NBA.


12 out of 30 or so teams? If this is a long history of the NBA not renaming teams, then I would like your definition of a long history of renaming teams.
I count 5. And to say out of "30 or so" teams is not accurate and misleading.

In addition we are talking about going all the way back to the 1940's. 12 name changes in "70 or so" years of history is not very many, not to mention the FACTUAL number of 5 name changes.

NO. This was before the NBA existed. NO. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. They were never officially named the Spirit. Yes, the Bullets changed to the Wizards, but not as a result of a team move.Yes, name changed while in the NBA.Again, NO. Since they joined the NBA, they've been known as the Nuggets.NO. They've been the lakers since they've been in the NBA.Again, NO. They've been the Spurs as long as they've been in the NBA.NO. The name is the same. I don't know why you have this on this listYes, name changed while in the NBA.Again, NO. They've been the Nets as long as they have been in the NBA.Yes, name changed while in NBA.Yes, name changed while in the NBA.
I count 5. And to say out of "30 or so" teams is not accurate and misleading.

In addition we are talking about going all the way back to the 1940's. 12 name changes in "70 or so" years of history is not very many, not to mention the FACTUAL number of 5 name changes.

Regardless of when the current NBA was fouinded, every one of these name changes were legit. Try looking at the web site I linked. You only bring one valid point, and it was not my doing. Name changes within the NBA (or predecessors) has nothing to do with the CBA. Please do not blame me, blame the one who first mentioned it.

Regardless of when the current NBA was fouinded, every one of these name changes were legit. Try looking at the web site I linked. You only bring one valid point, and it was not my doing. Name changes within the NBA (or predecessors) has nothing to do with the CBA. Please do not blame me, blame the one who first mentioned it.Interesting. You quote a website, then when it is shown to be false and misleading, you say don't blame you. Fascinating peek into your attitude. Fascinating.

Interesting. You quote a website, then when it is shown to be false and misleading, you say don't blame you. Fascinating peek into your attitude. Fascinating.

You people asked me to prove my points by citing websites, and when I do, you still are not happy. Interesting. I stand behind what I said. The NBA does change names more often than you people think.

Have to side with Mra on this one...We don't have the time to research the validity of every website before posting it in a discussion

He even posted the link...Not much else you can do

You people asked me to prove my points by citing websites, and when I do, you still are not happy. Interesting.
Who is "you people"? Do you have a martyr complex? I never asked for such a thing.

First, it's irresponsible to post false information as fact, especially when it comes from a website. I'll keep this simple: There are millions, if not billions, of websites. The fact that they are websites does not make their information factual. If you post a source, you'd better be prepared to defend the material. This is elementary.

This is akin to people that spout falsehoods all day long just because they read it somewhere, but don't take the time to question the source and material for themselves. It basically makes you a spreader of lies and makes you look like a follower, a dolt.


I stand behind what I said. The NBA does change names more often than you people think.
Again, who is "you people"? Are you martyring yourself once again? And for the record, there are 5 name changes IN THE NBA in the last 60 - 70 years. That just isn't very many.


Regardless of when the current NBA was fouinded, every one of these name changes were legit. Try looking at the web site I linked.
No, YOU try looking at the website you linked. I already read it and much more than that. The name changes were legit, it's just that most of the name changes did NOT occur while those teams were in the NBA. It's a FACT.

And it DOES matter when the NBA was founded. It is the central point that is in contention. Here is the original statement that Mr. Anderson is MISLEADINGLY trying to refute:


As far as names... the NBA has a LONG history of teams NOT changing names. I made up a list once and I'll post it later.
I suppose you can read as well as I can. That says NBA.



Have to side with Mra on this one...We don't have the time to research the validity of every website before posting it in a discussion

He even posted the link...Not much else you can do
Yes, there is much more you can do. You can refrain from posting bad information no matter where it comes from. Again, just because it is on a website somewhere doesn't make it fact.

It's no wonder why Internet forums are FULL of people that mislead others. You have folks with Mr. Anderson and Easy180's attitude: Provide a link and have no responsibility for whether or not what you've shown people is fact or not. Don't question it, just link it and it becomes valid.

WRONG.

FOR THE RECORD: That website was simply talking about name origins and changes. Mr. Anderson twisted and convoluted the facts to support his argument, didn't do his homework, etc. He was WRONG in misleading and twisting the information. WRONG.

There were 5 name changes since the founding of the NBA.

ok...So there has only been 5 name changes since the founding of the NBA

Got it

As far as websites go..Unless I am presenting it as a reference for an essay in school I really don't waste time researching the validity of it...Not really a concern of mine on an entertainment talk forum

OK, here we go.

Charlotte Bobcats – expansion team
Milwaukee Bucks – expansion team
Chicago Bulls – expansion team
Cleveland Cavaliers – expansion team
Boston Celtics – expansion team
LA Clippers – relocation from San Diego Clippers – relocation from Buffalo Braves
Memphis Grizzlies – relocation from Vancouver Grizzlies
Atlanta Hawks – relocation from St. Louis Hawks – relocation from Milwaukee Hawks – relocated from Tri-Cities Blackhawks
Miami Heat – expansion team
New Orleans Hornets – relocated from Charlotte Hornets
Utah Jazz – relocated from New Orleans Jazz
Sacramento Kings – relocated from Kansas City Kings – relocated from Kansas City/Omaha Kings – relocated from Cincinnati Royals – relocated from Rochester Royals
New Your Knickerbockers – charter team
LA Lakers – relocated from Minneapolis Lakers
Orlando Magic – expansion team
Dallas Mavericks – expansion team
New Jersey Nets – expansion team
Denver Nuggets – expansion team
Indiana Pacers – expansion team
Detroit Pistons – relocated from Ft Wayne Pistons
Toronto Raptors – expansion team
Houston Rockets – relocated from San Diego Rockets
Philadelphia 76ers – charter team
Seattle Supersonics – expansion team
San Antonio Spurs – expansion team
Phoenix Suns – expansion team
Minnesota Timberwolves – expansion team
Portland Trail Blazers – expansion team
Golden State Warriors – relocation from San Francisco Warriors
Washington Wizards – relocation from Washington Bullets – relocation from Baltimore Bullets

There you have all 30 NBA teams. These are the names and cities at the time they entered the NBA. Only 3 times has the nickname of an NBA team changed. Since this info comes directly from the NBA I think you can trust it.
NBA.com Behind The Name (http://www.nba.com/features/behind_the_name.html)

BW - check out how Cleveland got their name. It has nothing to do with the Cavalry.

I can see that the discussion has moved on to the inane. Why does anyone care what the name of a team is? Will that make a real difference? Nope.

I'm generally against minor league basketball in ANY form in this city. Here's why:

1) Potential suitors for the OKC market might be tempted to disregard Hornets attendance numbers as a "fluke" and base attendance projections (or at least allow their current projections to be influenced by) attendance to the minor leaguge games; and

2) What politicians say now and what politicians will be saying 5-10 years from now are two different things. If a minor league team comes here and makes money (and they probably will), they'll be smart to start throwing money around where politicians are concerned. With the right politicians in their pocketbooks, a minor league team can essentially forestall talks of attracting a major league team. Better yet -- they could potentially get the votes required to pull any sort of incentives OKC might have been willing to offer to a potential NBA franchise. I'm fairly certain (but not positive) that quite a bit of this went on when there were discussions about a possible NHL franchise.

--minor league = bad idea.

Good list, Kerry, but two things:

1. The 76ers were once the Syracuse Nationals

2. The Golden State Warriors started out in Philadelphia.

Okay, that's all I can correct in that list I think. heh

I'm with Cid, the websie mra stated was not factual evidence. Yes the information was correct as far as name changes, but not NBA fact.

WJil. You are correct about 1 and 2 but these teams did not join the NBA until after the teams relocated. I only counted from the time they entered the league.

I just saw an AP article about that the Cavalry WILL be in Lawton this season. Watch for the press conference in Lawton on Thurs. The article didn't say if they would play at Cameron University or Great Plains Coliseum. Both roughly seat only 2K. Neither the greatest of venues for this IMO.

Lawton? That's funny. But Lawton and the CBA are on about the same level, so that's perfect. I'm glad The City and the NBA strong-armed them out of the OKC market (which you know happened).

Yeah good for OKC.

Good for OKC but I think good for Lawton too!

All four of OK largest cities have/will have basketball teams: OKC - NBA franchise, Tulsa - NBA-D League, Norman - OU (good enough), Lawton - CBA franchise. Along with Enid - ABA (I think) and Stillwater - OSU (good enough).

Hopefully, Lawton will support the CBA which will surely translate into frequent trips up to OKC to see the major leagues!

Although I was hoping the CBA would play in Edmond or Norman in a way, I think Lawton is a perfect home for them! This is great for the state of Oklahoma because we have professional teams in four cities and two very good college teams; hopefully we'll get a pretty good farm system established - which will ensure the seats get filled at the large arena - Ford Center (and BOK).

... Along with Enid - ABA (I think)...

Enid is home to the USBL's Oklahoma Storm.

The problem with teh CBA is that no teams stay put for very long. If you look at the teams there now the only long term stay is Albany. I don't even recognize any of the teams from 10+ years ago. I give the CBA a max of three years in Lawton.

I hope longer, for Lawton's sake. They need something down there.