Edge @ Midtown

[Just the facts]

All I know is Jacksonville has four major hospitals and all four have their own physical plants. St Anthony's has one also at the corner of Lee and 9th. You can see the four cooling towers on Google Earth which are not visable from the street. Of course, these might be for some serious back-up generators though (hence the - I might be wrong). They burn natural gas to boil water that produces steam which turns a turbine that makes electricity.

But if they don't produce their own, I stand corrected.

[jungmuny]

You're right. I didn't know how they generated the electricity or if it had anything to do with the boilers in their buildings. But if natural gas is used, brown outs shouldn't affect them either way.

[Just the facts]

You're right. I didn't know how they generated the electricity or if it had anything to do with the boilers in their buildings. But if natural gas is used, brown outs shouldn't affect them either way.

Typically, there is a brief time between when the power goes out and a diesel generator kicks in. Not a big deal in an office building. It might make the lights flicker and a desktop computer might re-boot. I don't imagine a hospital would want equipment to flicker or re-boot. I have seen in some hospitals where they have differnent colored outlets indicating the orgin of the power. Critical equipments goes in one color and non-critical in another. So they might not produce enough to power the whole place, but they produce enough to power mission critical equipment. But like I said SA might not do this.

[Pete]

Anyway, there is no evidence that St. Anthony power consumption or that of this proposed project will inhibit the MP/HH neighborhoods.

Or at least there has been no evidence presented here and I can't find anything like that elsewhere.

[Just the facts]

Anyway, there is no evidence that St. Anthony power consumption or that of this proposed project will inhibit the MP/HH neighborhoods.

Or at least there has been no evidence presented here and I can't find anything like that elsewhere.

Tru Dat. That is a "run an excuse up the flag pole and see who salutes" deal.

[Pete]

Or run 25 excuses up a flagpole to try and rile up the neighborhood in order to cause a needless obstruction.

[Rover]

All I know is Jacksonville has four major hospitals and all four have their own physical plants. St Anthony's has one also at the corner of Lee and 9th. You can see the four cooling towers on Google Earth which are not visable from the street. Of course, these might be for some serious back-up generators though (hence the - I might be wrong). They burn natural gas to boil water that produces steam which turns a turbine that makes electricity.

But if they don't produce their own, I stand corrected.

Cooling towers can be from HVAC system. Most are.

[Pete]

The irony of all those opposing too much density or that there isn't proper infrastructure is that the old Mercy Hospital that occupied that property until the 70's was almost exactly as dense as what is now proposed.

5-stories, multi-level parking garage and 225 beds:

[Spartan]

Yes Steve, the neighborhood knows that now. But he could not speak for the neighborhood without going back to the board. Which he didn't.

Is it not embarrassing for such a highly-organized neighborhood to be so deeply misinformed about such a momentous development project on its own boundary??

[Skyline]

embarrassing for who?

and again this could be a small group and is not representative of an entire neighborhood.

[mcca7596]

Well, after reading the proposal on the Downtown Design Review Committee agenda (which was made public today), I think that everyone's doubts about the quality of the Edge should be greatly mitigated, including those in Heritage Hills. It has a 4 page long design statement talking about the care that was put into the project to integrate it into the surrounding neighborhood and the respect given to its interaction with Heritage Hills. Also a plus is that it says real stucco will be used, not EIFS, along with brick. If the included real life pictures of similar buildings are what we can expect, I think this has a real chance to be even nicer than LEVEL.

I don't know how long this will last (I tried right clicking and doing save link): http://www.okc.gov/planning/planning...c/11-00068.pdf

[Just the facts]

Some people would vote against tomorrow if they thought it would be different than today.

[Rover]

The Magna Wall stucco is apparently a fiber type or backed stucco. Is this like a fiberglass? Basically looks like a different type of spread on surface. Just because it says stucco that doesn't define it as high quality. How is it much different than Eifs or what is being applied at Level?

[Just the facts]

Here in Seattle (ya I know, not the same city) I am seeing buildings going up all over with real brick facades.

Oklahoma is in the brick belt. We even have a whole part of downtown called Bricktown. You would think brick would be the prefered building material for everything.

[Rover]

Or at least the stucco would be over brick for a more solid face. That is now being done residentially in OKC.

[mcca7596]

Well, I have to say, if I lived nearby I probably want to attend just to protest the use of brick veneers. I know it is cheaper, but it never looks good after much time.

Please enlighten me, seriously, what about just being a veneer makes brick not age as well as compared to a solid brick structure? Just the possibility of moisture seeping behind?

[Snowman]

I thought that said stucco veneer the first time I read his comment

[bluedogok]

Technically most "brick walls" are brick veneer cavity walls, meaning the brick is a veneer finish over a structural component. In most residential this is a wood stud wall, in commercial it could be a metal stud wall or CMU block. There aren't too many structural brick walls being built anymore. The only thing that I can think sid is referring to is what some of us call "sticky brick", it is usually a 1/4" to 3/8" slice of brick held in place to a backing surface with mortar. Cultured stone is similar but tends to be thicker.

[mcca7596]

See, I've never seen "brick sheets". I thought you meant solid structure vs. an outer layer. Sorry.

To steer it back on topic, I'll amend my previous statement and state that I believe this project could certainly turn out as nice as or nicer than LEVEL because of the use of brick.

[RBS]

HUD/FHA.....

The Edge is being financed by a privately held mortgage company that is approved as an FHA multifamily lender. HUD/FHA will provide mortgage insurance. It in no way has anything to do with the income level of the residents that will live there. The Edge will be 100% market rate. There will NOT be any section 8, or low-mod income tax credits associated with it. FHA mortgage insurance is merely a financing mechanism. The Seiber, The Classen Tower, and Legacy at Arts Quarter are all financed with FHA insured mortgages.

[mcca7596]

New Rendering from NewsOK:



and Steve's story: http://newsok.com/heritage-hills-res...rticle/3640196

[MDot]

..........wow..........reminds me so well of section 8....

[ljbab728]

..........wow..........reminds me so well of section 8....

I wonder if they will allow pit bulls? You can't be too careful in a scary neighborhood like that.

[MDot]

I wonder if they will allow pit bulls? You can't be too careful in a scary neighborhood like that.

The people of that neighborhood apparently don't mingle with the outside world enough to be considered a threat.

[ljbab728]

You never know. When the property values start plummeting in HH and MP those people might resort to muggings.