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    I would like to know what people think are the stupid political issues that should not be at issue.

    Mine. Homosexual marriage.

    We should not have to go to the voters do declaire legal marriage being between a man and a woman. Anything else is simpally sick.

    Another reason the liberals are really running this country thanks to the Clinton's. They have the court systems wrapped so tightly around their little fingers, we have to change the constitution just to shut them up.

    (By the way. This is not intended to reopen a firestorm. This is just one issue. Please keep it mild)

    To quote Chris Rock in "Head of State." "THAT AI'NT RIGHT!!!!!!!!"

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    I personally don't care one way or the other on the homosexual marriage issue. At first, I was against it - but then decided that it has nothing to do with me and what I do and don't believe. I don't think that government should legislate morality.

    Stupid issues include any issues where the government tries to legislate something based on personal beliefs - issues that have no 'real' answers.

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    "Stupid issues include any issues where the government tries to legislate something based on personal beliefs - issues that have no 'real' answers."

    Of the current political issues, please cite an example. And why you feel the way you do toward it.

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    I used your example to make my point, but from the opposite direction. I think it's a stupid issue, because the government is trying to make a law out of an issue based on religious beliefs. Who cares if homosexuals get married? What does it have to do with anything, really? So you sit in your home and get grossed out thinking that out there, somewhere, two males/females are married? who cares??

    The only thing I don't know about in that whole issue is homosexuals adopting children. I don't think your doing the children a service by putting them in a place where they wouldn't have the same mother/father parental rearing that children have had since the dawn of time.

    But then again - how many homes have both friggin parents raising the kid anyways - so maybe that's just a moot point anyways.

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    So. You really have no other example.

    I cited what I thought was a stupid issue. I really want this topic to be about other stupid issues. Not just that one. And really, not much mention of that particular one. It has been over discussed already. If you think about the same one, just simpally say something like "I agree with yours mranderson." Or cite something else, please.

    In fact, I was watching a commercial for a district 93 house candidate who mentioned it on his platform. Along with being a "christian." I could care less whether someone running for office believes a minister was around 2000 years ago named Christ. Nor do I care if he or she goes to church. That fact is irrelevant to whether or not they will do a good job.

    I thought as he mentioned the issue. "This is stupid. Having to fight over something like this." What OTHER stupid issues are there? So, hense this thread. Not to reopen a topic. Just to see what other poeple thought was stupid OTHER than that one.

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    Anderson, what he's saying is that he thinks you're wrong and it is an important issue -- at least to some. Just ask any monogomous gay couple -- gay marriage sure as heck is important to them.

    My feeling is that the government should just remove all language in the law referring to "marriage". It should replace it with "civil union" and create a legal institution whereby two individuals can share assetts, child custody and live as "man and man", "wife and wife" or "man and wife" -- it shouldn't matter where the government is concerned.

    My feeling is that marriage is a question for churches to decide. If a church wants to recognize someone as married, that's cool. If not, then that's their choice also.

    My parents were originally married by a district judge. Upon joining the Catholic Church, the Priest informed them that they really weren't married as marriage is a promise between God and the couple. I really believe that is the case and should also be the case where the government is concerned.

    So no, it's not a stupid issue. The way it's being brought up definitely is a stupid issue and as I've said before, we can pass all the state amendments we want, but it's 100% unconstitutional. Just wait, as soon as it's passed and challenged, a court will grant a temporary injunction against the amendment whilst it is struck down by the Supreme Court (Check out the "equal protection" clause of the 14th amendment which I've posted in another thread covering this topic). Also, if one state grants homosexual marriage, that marriage is perfectly legit in all 49 other states (and DC) because of the 4th amendment (Full faith and credit clause).

    So is gay marriage a stupid subject? No.

    Is the way it's being brought up stupid, biggotted and unconstitutional? Yes.

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    I will make one more comment on that particular issue, then I want people to tell me OTHER THAN THAT ONE (which was the idea of the thread to begin with) to tell me what THEY think is a stupid issue.

    In other words, I am setting guidelines for this thread that I would like to be upheld.

    What is stupid is that due to the liberal court system backing the liberals and telling the conservatives to go to hell, we must make a political issue out of something that has been known for centuries. What a marriage is. And it is not Adam and Steve or Marsha and Eve.

    By the way. "I do not use the word "gay." I HATE that word. They have distroyed a perfectly good word." James B. Sikking in "Doing Time on Maple Avenue." The word is homosexual.

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    Because of my convictions, I also believe that homosexual marriages are wrong. Do I think there needs to be a constitutional amendment to state that marriage is between a man and a woman? Yes, because evidently, some people just don't get it.

    I also thought at one time that if homosexuals were together, it didn't effect my way of life, but I was wrong. My children go to public schools, and I do not want a person with the alternate lifestyle teaching my children. Plus, there is HIV that is already rampant in our society, and I don't want my children exposed to that disease because of a teacher with a wreckless alternative life style.

    Watching man kiss man or woman kiss woman is so unnatural, it turns my stomach, especially when they show it on the news when I am trying to eat a meal. I, personally don't think it is a "stupid" issue, because it affects so many people. I think it is stupid the way the homosexual groups try to shove their life styles down our throats, and try to make us accept it, even if it means that they have to break a law to get their way.

    No, this shouldn't be an issue, however, those who pursue the alternate life styles are the ones who made it an issue.

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    The issues you have with teachers being homosexual is going to be there whether homosexual marriage is legal or not. I don't see how those two are linked.

    As far as it making your stomach turn when you see it, that's your problem - not theirs. It makes me gag too (well, maybe not women ), but oh well. I gag - so what??? I gag and move on... I'm not any worse off than I was before I saw it. I've seen MUCH worse stuff that actually gives me nightmares - homosexuals kissing is nothing. It's out there, you're gonna see it. Deal with it - do you really think your life is affected at the very foundation by seeing that stuff? lol Maybe we all need to toughen up a little, if anything...

    I don't see them 'forcing' their lifesyle down my throat any more than we are by trying to force ours down theirs by not allowing them the same civil rights as hetero couples.

    When you get past the religious aspect and shock value - it isn't a big deal... Keep in mind - seperation of church and state is a VERY BIG deal.


    Sorry Mr. A, I tried. I guess it's next to impossible to bring up such a polarized issue and not get a discussion going.

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    People tend to forget the origins of Separation of Church and state. This weas created originally to keep the stateout of church affairs, not to keep the church out of state affairs.

    Anyways, I dont' think defining marriage between a man and a woman is cramming something down homoesxuals throat. I think it's just keeping with the traditional morals that this nation was founded under. Our nation is the first in the history of mankind to legalize gay marriages. That should say enough in and of itself.

    I think the best solution to this whole mess would be to have a national vote on a definition of marriage. This is a democracy and majority rules. I think you'd see marriage defined as being between a man and a woman if it came up for a vote. It would pass by a landslide.

    That's my 2 cents.

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    Let's switch gears in the discussion for a bit. Let's put aside the question whether it's right or wrong or whether it's constitutional to even make a state constitutional law denying people equal protection under the law as guaranteed in the 14th amendment....

    What business does the government have marrying anyone? Straight or queer?

    I thought marriage was something between God and man -- at least it is according to my religion. Why then do we allow the state to govern marriage?

    In olden times, the state had nothing to do with marriage. The church governed the whole thing. Only when we came up with things like child supprot, division of property and alimony did the state really get involved. Why does a man or woman of God performing a marriage have to say "By the power invested in me by the state of Oklahoma, I pronounce you man and wife"? What the heck? If anything, we should be ticked at the state for obviously intervening in the church.

    Here's what I favor:

    Remove marriage from the laws of the state. The state never had any business deciding who can be married and who can't. What the state needs to be in the business of is granting licenses for civil union -- a completely different concept. Right now, anti-gay activists tell queer folk that if they want to go visit their significant others in the hospital, become the "next of kin", be able to sign documents on behalf of their spouse, they need to get a lawyer, get power of attorney, a will, etc. Why can't the government just streamline that process?

    Civil unions make sense for us all. The government being involved in the covenant of marriage never did. I can't believe that's not an issue with people.

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    Homosexual kissing is nothing? Deal with it? That’s the problem with society today, everybody just says deal with it and sweeps it under a rug . Doing drugs is nothing…deal with it, smoking crack is nothing….deal with it, prostitution is nothing…deal with it. Now, agreed that these are not equal to homosexual kissing, however, I think you get my point. When there seems to be a problem in society we are told to deal with it. Well, no more…the line has got to be drawn somewhere .

    And, I don’t think we need to “toughen” up to something that should not be happening anyway. They don’t deserve the same civil rights because their alternate life style is not normal. Because of their life style, there are diseases that are preventable, but yet they continue on with their practices, and they take their chances. Then, when and if they do catch the disease, and their insurance covers it, then guess who gets to pay for it in the long run? Yep, me and you, because then our health insurance rates would go up.

    BTW, you can’t get past the “religious “ aspect of it, because it will always be there…but I guess there will be people that have the “it’s no big deal” attitude, plus, as Patrick said, separation of church and state was created to keep the state out of the church’s affairs, not keep the church out of the state’s affairs. And, as you may well have seen, the state is always trying to find ways to get in to the church’s affairs. Marriage between heterosexuals is what it is all about. Forget about civil unions.....all that is, is a piece of paper with no meaning.

    Again, we agree to disagree, and that’s the fun thing about this forum …..everybody has a right to their opinion.

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    I don't disagree with how you feel about the morality of it - I don't think it's right and it creeps me out. But I also don't feel it's right to impose my personal feelings about the issue on them. As far as their burden on society through raising our insurance rates, I'd like to see more info on what the actual cost is, if any. But I bet things like smoking and alcohol abuse cost 10 times as much, if not, more.

    Doing drugs, smoking crack and prostitution are all illegal, but being gay isn't. It's gross, but being gay isn't illegal - that's my point. I don't think I'm sweeping anything under the rug - I just don't feel as threatened by their community as most people are. Now am I gonna run out and go bowling with them? No.

    Until being gay becomes illegal, they are just as human as the next person and I think they should be given the same rights.

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    Until being gay becomes illegal, they are just as human as the next person and I think they should be given the same rights.

    It's only a matter of time before they are given the same rights. There are several legal avenues by which it can be done and through which a constitutional amendment in our state can be nullified or effectively nullified.

    And it probably won't be made illegal. There's plenty of case law in reference to the 9th amendment (Non-enumerated rights) from which we draw a right to privacy. That's the amendment commonly used to overturn laws in some states that for example made intercourse illegal unless the two people were married and using the missionary position.

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    "I do not use the word "gay." I HATE that word. They have distroyed a perfectly good word." James B. Sikking in "Doing Time on Maple Avenue." The word is homosexual.

    Would you people PLEASE stop using the word "gay." It makes me sick to my stomach to hear or read that word. That word in the context inwhich the homosexual community insists on it's use, has ruined the word. "Gay" does NOT mean homosexual. "Gay" is festive, joyous, fun. Plus the middle name of the woman I dated in High School. Shame is, she can not use the name she chooses to be adressed by. When she says "hi. I'm Gay," most people think she is a lesbian. Not even being able to use your own name. What a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mranderson
    "I do not use the word "gay." I HATE that word. They have distroyed a perfectly good word." James B. Sikking in "Doing Time on Maple Avenue." The word is homosexual.

    Would you people PLEASE stop using the word "gay." It makes me sick to my stomach to hear or read that word. That word in the context inwhich the homosexual community insists on it's use, has ruined the word. "Gay" does NOT mean homosexual. "Gay" is festive, joyous, fun. Plus the middle name of the woman I dated in High School. Shame is, she can not use the name she chooses to be adressed by. When she says "hi. I'm Gay," most people think she is a lesbian. Not even being able to use your own name. What a shame.
    Wrong again buddy.

    From dictionary.com

    gay Audio pronunciation of "gay" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g)
    adj. gay·er, gay·est

    1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
    2. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
    3. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
    4. Given to social pleasures.
    5. Dissolute; licentious.


    n.

    1. A person whose sexual orientation is to persons of the same sex.
    2. A man whose sexual orientation is to men: an alliance of gays and lesbians.


    [Middle English gai, lighthearted, brightly colored, from Old French, possibly of Germanic origin.]gayness n.

    Usage Note: The word gay is now standard in its use to refer to homosexuals, in large part because it is the term that most gay people prefer in referring to themselves. Gay is distinguished from homosexual primarily by the emphasis it places on the cultural and social aspects of homosexuality as opposed to sexual practice. Many writers reserve gay for males, but the word is also used to refer to both sexes; when the intended meaning is not clear in the context, the phrase gay and lesbian may be used. Like the other names of social groups derived from adjectives (for example, Black), gay may be regarded as offensive when used as a noun to refer to particular individuals, as in There were two gays on the panel; here phrasing such as gay members should be used instead. But there is no objection to the use of the noun in the plural to refer collectively either to gay men or to gay men and lesbians, so long as it is clear whether men alone or both men and women are being discussed. See Usage Note at homosexual.

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    Who wrote that dictonary? Answer. A brainwashed liberal.

    I do NOT accept any attempt to destroy that word and make it what it has become.

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    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gay

    damn - got beat to the punch....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mranderson
    Who wrote that dictonary? Answer. A brainwashed liberal.

    I do NOT accept any attempt to destroy that word and make it what it has become.
    Please stop attacking people you don't know. Words change meaning over time. The dictionary accurately reflects that.

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    I am sorry I started this thread. I wanted to know what others thought were stupid issues and mentioned mine to start. It backfired.

    I think we need to just forget this one from now on.

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    fun while it lasted

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    fun while it lasted
    Always is.

    Here's a stupid issue -- just about anything PETA proposes

    How about them trying to get the town of Slaughterville to change their name?

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    On PETA, I agree. They even want to call me my dog's daddy.

    Just think what that would make my wife (if I had one). I OWN the dog. My girlfriend did not give birth to it. Of course, calling me my dog's human? I can live with that. Afterall, are they not the boss?

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    Yeah, PETA is definitely up there with the looneys. Can somebody please pass me my well done steak and my fur parka, please?

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    A tribute to Bob Barker (a PETA fan)

    Help control the pet population. Eat that steak and wear that fur!

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